On December 10 2015 06:55 GumBa wrote:
Was game 1 good?
Was game 1 good?
If you like watching China lose yeah
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TomatoBisque
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On December 10 2015 06:55 GumBa wrote: Was game 1 good? If you like watching China lose yeah | ||
DucK-
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On December 10 2015 06:49 Dracolich70 wrote: Show nested quote + They draft according to what they are comfortable with in this patch, but even in similar drafts they play it totally differently, and they will also swap heroes to other players. On December 10 2015 05:23 DucK- wrote: On December 10 2015 05:10 Dracolich70 wrote: Not sure why some think OG are dependant on patch. They are probably the team to be least dependant on patch. If you look at their drafting style, you can see how similar they are to Alliance 2013. There is a fixed pattern. For example: 1) If they are FP, they ban any heroes except Doom/SF/Wisp. They may 2nd ban Doom only if opponent doesn't first ban SF or Wisp. This way, it guarantees them always either of this 3 heroes, while they can control whether or not Doom is given away. 2) They often leave their mid and carry to 4th/5th pick. Their first 3 picks are generally flexible supports. This opens them to adapt and punish via Huskar/Meepo/PL/AM. For a team so reliant on drafting with a rigid pattern, a patch can shake everything up easily. Fact of the matter is they have a plethora of strategies, and it doesn't depend on heroes picked, thus patch is totally irrelevant. They are comfortable in playing a farm game, early to mid push, split push, counter push, 4 prot 1, 5 man. They have great team fight communication, and understand itemization and the timings. A big part of their arsenal is how teams fear their Meepo/Huskar 4th/5th picks, which means they often get free 2nd phase bans. It also allows them to draft around this. A new patch may make Meepo/Huskar irrelevant, and their drafting approach may no longer be effective. For example, they may have to secure cores earlier, which gives their opponents time to prepare. So yes they do play a wide variety of strategies unlike Alliance 2013, but the major component of their success so far has been more due to their drafting edge. | ||
Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On December 10 2015 06:49 Dracolich70 wrote: Show nested quote + They draft according to what they are comfortable with in this patch, but even in similar drafts they play it totally differently, and they will also swap heroes to other players. On December 10 2015 05:23 DucK- wrote: On December 10 2015 05:10 Dracolich70 wrote: Not sure why some think OG are dependant on patch. They are probably the team to be least dependant on patch. If you look at their drafting style, you can see how similar they are to Alliance 2013. There is a fixed pattern. For example: 1) If they are FP, they ban any heroes except Doom/SF/Wisp. They may 2nd ban Doom only if opponent doesn't first ban SF or Wisp. This way, it guarantees them always either of this 3 heroes, while they can control whether or not Doom is given away. 2) They often leave their mid and carry to 4th/5th pick. Their first 3 picks are generally flexible supports. This opens them to adapt and punish via Huskar/Meepo/PL/AM. For a team so reliant on drafting with a rigid pattern, a patch can shake everything up easily. Fact of the matter is they have a plethora of strategies, and it doesn't depend on heroes picked, thus patch is totally irrelevant. They are comfortable in playing a farm game, early to mid push, split push, counter push, 4 prot 1, 5 man. They have great team fight communication, and understand itemization and the timings. They still rely on a pretty small set of heroes, it's not particularly bad and it doesn't mean they will falter when the heroes they play get nerfed but you can't say that patches are irrelevant. Every team got hit by patches and some fell off drastically afterwards. OG have played one patch as a team, they might not be as successful in the next one or they might be even better we don't know. | ||
spudde123
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On December 10 2015 06:53 Dracolich70 wrote: Show nested quote + They have played two patches already. They have by far the most games by any post TI. I have watched 95% of them.On December 10 2015 06:50 Sn0_Man wrote: Fact of the matter is wait until a team has played on more than one patch before you declare patch relevant or irrelevant also fact of the matter is OG aint playing atm lets discuss CHINA IN FLAMES AZARKON IS DOING IT Patch is irrelevant because they are not dependant on heroes to pick strategies. In the previous patch they played zero LANs and made it through 1 out of 3 qualifiers they played. It's hardly big evidence. Not that I think they will somehow crumble but at this time I don't really hold them as the big favorite to win the next major either. | ||
Verniy
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On December 10 2015 07:10 Artisreal wrote: Everyone says VG lost. I suppose they are going to stomp hard now thanks to all the negative Karma here! ? shadow shaman hero | ||
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