• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:50
CEST 16:50
KST 23:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event5Serral wins EWC 202543Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9
Community News
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 193Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments5[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4
StarCraft 2
General
TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy Rogue Talks: "Koreans could dominate again" uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread
Tourneys
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) WardiTV Mondays RSL Season 2 Qualifier Links and Dates
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams ASL Season 20 Ro24 Groups BW General Discussion Player “Jedi” cheat on CSL BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues KCM 2025 Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Gaming After Dark: Poor Slee…
TrAiDoS
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 677 users

[The Summit 4] LAN Finals Day 1 - Page 9

Forum Index > Dota 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 32 Next All
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
December 09 2015 21:36 GMT
#161
On December 10 2015 06:35 HammerKick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 06:33 sc14s wrote:
On December 10 2015 06:33 HammerKick wrote:
Lil visage :3 :3

Yeah hes pretty fantastic on it.


I just played a good visage game before the game starts. Was that a message telling me that lil is going to be good?

lil is always good
rip
Aldehyde
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden939 Posts
December 09 2015 21:36 GMT
#162
Who is the fourth guy casting? I can hear Winter, Merlini and kotlguy but can't place the fourth voice.
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
December 09 2015 21:36 GMT
#163
On December 10 2015 06:35 Latham wrote:
What is this Wraith King pick? pocket strat? solid pick this patch? downright no respect from VP?


Solid pick this patch. The hero has always been good.
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-09 21:37:34
December 09 2015 21:37 GMT
#164
Pros realized that hailrake build is better than armlet/bkb

Also the hero is good vs. burst damage heroes that are popular these days
rip
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
December 09 2015 21:38 GMT
#165
Who drafted for Vici? Why even pick VS.
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
December 09 2015 21:39 GMT
#166
Waow ice3!
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
Verniy
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada3360 Posts
December 09 2015 21:39 GMT
#167
On December 10 2015 06:35 Latham wrote:
What is this Wraith King pick? pocket strat? solid pick this patch? downright no respect from VP?

wraith king underrated hero tbh
Heaven's Halberd is the most criminally underbought item in Dota. Together we can stop this.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
December 09 2015 21:39 GMT
#168
On December 10 2015 06:36 Aldehyde wrote:
Who is the fourth guy casting? I can hear Winter, Merlini and kotlguy but can't place the fourth voice.

Fogged
rip
Aldehyde
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden939 Posts
December 09 2015 21:40 GMT
#169
Aight, thanks.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
December 09 2015 21:42 GMT
#170
wraith king good hero
rip
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
December 09 2015 21:45 GMT
#171
That nice blademail timing from silent! Just as the shakle is hitting, he's all spikey
passive quaranstream fan
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
December 09 2015 21:46 GMT
#172
What a stomp. VG had a miracle rosh fight when everything went 100% right and it didn't even matter at all.
super gg
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
December 09 2015 21:47 GMT
#173
That's what you get for picking VS.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
December 09 2015 21:48 GMT
#174
Wraith King basically lets you play xboct/EE style carry where you farm aggressively and run at people and they have to constantly make the decision of "Is his team behind him I don't know but this weird ghost is running at me and waving a sword"
rip
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-09 21:52:00
December 09 2015 21:49 GMT
#175
On December 10 2015 05:23 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 05:10 Dracolich70 wrote:
Not sure why some think OG are dependant on patch. They are probably the team to be least dependant on patch.


If you look at their drafting style, you can see how similar they are to Alliance 2013. There is a fixed pattern.

For example:

1) If they are FP, they ban any heroes except Doom/SF/Wisp. They may 2nd ban Doom only if opponent doesn't first ban SF or Wisp. This way, it guarantees them always either of this 3 heroes, while they can control whether or not Doom is given away.

2) They often leave their mid and carry to 4th/5th pick. Their first 3 picks are generally flexible supports. This opens them to adapt and punish via Huskar/Meepo/PL/AM.

For a team so reliant on drafting with a rigid pattern, a patch can shake everything up easily.
They draft according to what they are comfortable with in this patch, but even in similar drafts they play it totally differently, and they will also swap heroes to other players.

Fact of the matter is they have a plethora of strategies, and it doesn't depend on heroes picked, thus patch is totally irrelevant. They are comfortable in playing a farm game, early to mid push, split push, counter push, 4 prot 1, 5 man. They have great team fight communication, and understand itemization and the timings.
LiangHao
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 09 2015 21:50 GMT
#176
Fact of the matter is wait until a team has played on more than one patch before you declare patch relevant or irrelevant
also fact of the matter is OG aint playing atm lets discuss CHINA IN FLAMES AZARKON IS DOING IT
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
December 09 2015 21:52 GMT
#177
On December 10 2015 06:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
Fact of the matter is wait until a team has played on more than one patch before you declare patch relevant or irrelevant
also fact of the matter is OG aint playing atm lets discuss CHINA IN FLAMES AZARKON IS DOING IT

I think my sig sums up this matter
rip
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-09 21:58:53
December 09 2015 21:53 GMT
#178
On December 10 2015 06:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
Fact of the matter is wait until a team has played on more than one patch before you declare patch relevant or irrelevant
also fact of the matter is OG aint playing atm lets discuss CHINA IN FLAMES AZARKON IS DOING IT
They have played two patches already. They have by far the most games by any post TI. I have watched 95% of them.

Patch is irrelevant because they are not dependant on heroes to pick strategies, and have not cornered themselves into strategies, but have the most by any..
LiangHao
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
December 09 2015 21:55 GMT
#179
Was game 1 good?
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
December 09 2015 21:56 GMT
#180
It's not WK. It's the combo of WK + AA. They come in a pair
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 32 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
SC Evo League
12:00
#15
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko492
Hui .291
uThermal 216
BRAT_OK 142
ProTech23
ForJumy 9
SteadfastSC 6
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 36312
Calm 7894
Rain 3917
Horang2 1536
Flash 1212
Jaedong 829
BeSt 594
EffOrt 460
ggaemo 398
Hyuk 349
[ Show more ]
Stork 322
Soma 238
hero 168
Barracks 168
Larva 95
Aegong 58
JYJ44
[sc1f]eonzerg 44
Sea.KH 37
sas.Sziky 34
Killer 32
eros_byul 22
Rock 22
yabsab 20
Movie 18
Shine 17
JulyZerg 15
IntoTheRainbow 10
SilentControl 9
Dota 2
Gorgc5327
qojqva3318
XcaliburYe364
Pyrionflax161
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor384
Liquid`Hasu373
Other Games
singsing2204
B2W.Neo1294
Beastyqt510
DeMusliM359
mouzStarbuck183
KnowMe174
Organizations
StarCraft 2
WardiTV29
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta19
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV584
League of Legends
• Nemesis2410
• Jankos1311
Counter-Strike
• C_a_k_e 2387
Upcoming Events
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
10m
CSO Cup
1h 10m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19h 10m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d
Wardi Open
1d 20h
RotterdaM Event
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
PiGosaur Monday
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Summer Champion…
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
Online Event
6 days
SC Evo League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.