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ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
October 27 2015 08:41 GMT
#1941
Does skadi slow stack with frost arrows?
shouldbeworking
Profile Joined October 2014
946 Posts
October 27 2015 08:43 GMT
#1942
lol Skadi on drow. That efficiency. To pierce BKB? for more agility? Enlighten me.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 27 2015 08:43 GMT
#1943
Ok waking up to todays results made me lol a bit xD
time to join game 2 of secret vs EHOME.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
October 27 2015 08:44 GMT
#1944
On October 27 2015 17:43 shouldbeworking wrote:
lol Skadi on drow. That efficiency. To pierce BKB? for more agility? Enlighten me.


slow stacks with frost arrows. one of the items that gives agi as well as survivability
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Stalemilk
Profile Joined August 2012
204 Posts
October 27 2015 08:44 GMT
#1945
On October 27 2015 17:36 Azarkon wrote:
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On October 27 2015 17:33 Stalemilk wrote:
On October 27 2015 17:31 Azarkon wrote:
On October 27 2015 17:26 Stalemilk wrote:
There have been three teams throughout all the 4 years of Dota I have watched that had such impeccable teamfighting - Early navi, Secret Pre TI5 and now Secret Post TI5. The one common denominator throughout is Puppey...


I don't know about that. There are a lot of other teams that have excellent team fighting. PPD's team, for one. That's how they won the international, after all - by out fighting every other team there along with having excellent picks. That team's base defense is second to none.

But what Puppey's teams do have above other teams is in-game and out-of-game decision making. This started in Na'Vi when Puppey, along with ArtStyle, used to out draft and out plan other teams. But the height of their in-game decision making came to be only after Puppey left Na'Vi - and Na'Vi went to shit - and joined Secret. We saw Secret out rotating other teams for six months in 2015, only to fail at the very end due to internal differences. Now, with a new team, we see it again, though how long it's going to last, no one knows.


EG has extremely good teamfighting and VG have had similar patches too but Puppey teams always take these strange fights that I think are impossible and come out 5-0 teamwiping the enemy. No other team has surprised me that much in the fights they win.


But in that game it's actually quite obvious why they won: because of the out pick from the very beginning. The only opportunity Ehome had was the dark seer vacuum + wall combo but Puppey even had an answer to that in the form of Nyx. It was simply too difficult for them to fight past the mid game which is why Secret was able to wipe them easily.

I think a lot of Secret's fights come down to this. They look as though they're behind but they're not because of their picks, else their farm. I remember back when Arteezy was on the team, Secret would sacrifice a lot in order to get him farmed, and then turn a fight with that farm. This is not to say Secret doesn't have amazing team fighting. But it is to say that Puppey stacks the cards with his plans.


I don't actually mean that it is surprising they won the game. I was just surprised by the fights they choose to take - and win.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
October 27 2015 08:44 GMT
#1946
Secret's team fighting is different in the sense that it is all about their positioning. The way the Chinese do it though is about the initiation.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
October 27 2015 08:45 GMT
#1947
On October 27 2015 17:38 Kraznaya wrote:
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On October 27 2015 17:37 goody153 wrote:
On October 27 2015 17:35 Kraznaya wrote:
honestly, if there's a team that takes teamfights with massive gold deficits and somehow wins, it's xiao8's various iterations of lgd

the opposite of that is actually jacky mao's team lol (of course they lose)


nah, envy's teams were decently good at mid-late game teamfighting through KP/Speed/C9 1.0 era

for all the criticism envy levies at sing, i feel like he had way more issues working with FATA and their contradictory opinions and conflicting shotcalling late game cost the later iterations of C9 a lot of games

i think the fata iteration just stronger than the sing one .. of course not the last fata iteration lol that was a fucking disaster everybody making calls during some point of the game
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
October 27 2015 08:46 GMT
#1948
Did Ehome just give up doom and slardar for a first pick witch doctor? Another out pick incoming?
Stalemilk
Profile Joined August 2012
204 Posts
October 27 2015 08:46 GMT
#1949
On October 27 2015 17:44 DucK- wrote:
Secret's team fighting is different in the sense that it is all about their positioning. The way the Chinese do it though is about the initiation.


This is probably what I was trying to get at. The way Puppey's teams win their fights is just very different from how every other team does it.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
October 27 2015 08:46 GMT
#1950
On October 27 2015 17:43 shouldbeworking wrote:
lol Skadi on drow. That efficiency. To pierce BKB? for more agility? Enlighten me.

i'm not watching the game but pretty sure Skadi is a good item with drow

it pretty much gives ehp and damage .. and you can actually stack both if you just micro each time drow hits with frost and normal attack
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 27 2015 08:47 GMT
#1951
This looks like a PPD troll/tilt draft from EHOME not going to lie xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
October 27 2015 08:47 GMT
#1952
On October 27 2015 17:44 DucK- wrote:
Secret's team fighting is different in the sense that it is all about their positioning. The way the Chinese do it though is about the initiation.

Is old LGD both? 20k networth down teamfight no prob ez.
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
October 27 2015 08:48 GMT
#1953
bulba is muted and im listening to some 3k mmr guy talking to a buzzing noise
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-27 08:48:56
October 27 2015 08:48 GMT
#1954
In a way it doesn't matter. Secret is basically already 1st/2nd in the group unless they drop both games to LGD so it doesn't matter for Ehome unless Secret throws to LGD to knock them into lower, and Secret has no cause to do that.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
October 27 2015 08:49 GMT
#1955
i feel a meepo pick

pls no meepo
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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
October 27 2015 08:49 GMT
#1956
I can imagine how hard EE and Puppey is laughing at this lycan pick
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 27 2015 08:49 GMT
#1957
On October 27 2015 17:49 goody153 wrote:
i feel a meepo pick

pls no meepo

Banned if u on about EHOME vs Secret
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-27 08:50:55
October 27 2015 08:50 GMT
#1958
On October 27 2015 17:49 babysimba wrote:
I can imagine how hard EE and Puppey is laughing at this lycan pick


Lycan pick isn't very logical against Slardar.
shouldbeworking
Profile Joined October 2014
946 Posts
October 27 2015 08:50 GMT
#1959
GOD is um... true to his name I guess lol
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
October 27 2015 08:51 GMT
#1960
On October 27 2015 17:49 babysimba wrote:
I can imagine how hard EE and Puppey is laughing at this lycan pick

i feel like lycan is ok this game .. i mean nothing is good against doom anyways at least lycan suffers nothing from getting doomed if he pressed R,W and Q already (i mean he can still do lycan things and doom can't run him down cause he has 1293819283 ms)
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