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viermalvier
Austria115 Posts
On December 04 2015 05:54 tm_invincible wrote: why ppy always pick weird carries for EE. Huska is so bad this game well usually husk is good against gyro, and liquid had some pretty bad games against him the last weeks | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On December 04 2015 06:17 Faruko wrote: Considering recent OG and Secret performance (and to some extend VP) is alliance and navi back or are just all teams playing like crap and we both will end up in the bottom tier once again ;_; ? the latter, though i think people are drafting better against Secret recently | ||
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Faruko
Chile34172 Posts
but 10 minutes in and 2000networth | ||
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Verniy
Canada3360 Posts
On December 04 2015 06:17 Faruko wrote: Considering recent OG and Secret performance (and to some extend VP) is alliance and navi back or are just all teams playing like crap and we both will end up in the bottom tier once again ;_; ? i think it's pretty likely that at least some teams are experimenting heavily with drafts since there's a new patch coming pretty soon anyway and yeah, Secret and OG maybe have been figured out a bit better now | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On December 04 2015 06:17 Faruko wrote: Considering recent OG and Secret performance (and to some extend VP) is alliance and navi back or are just all teams playing like crap and we both will end up in the bottom tier once again ;_; ? OG and Secret just coming back from LANs/ post LAN break, can't possibly concentrate on every game at 100%. Meanwhile NaVi has a brand new lineup and surely is putting their 100%. Alliance vs VP idk what to put that down to really. Though in this game I don't think Secret even were terrible in general. Typically I heavily disagree with "scientists baffled" talk but this game I think EE screwed up a pretty big portion of the game himself. First using all his regen and dying top when he was overly aggressive and didn't realize UD is roaming in, then dying bottom lane, later on they get a big pickoff opportunity on the Gyro and go on him with Tusk only for EE to screw up with his toggling and die, etc.. | ||
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midou
Bulgaria1168 Posts
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
On December 04 2015 06:19 Verniy wrote: i think it's pretty likely that at least some teams are experimenting heavily with drafts since there's a new patch coming pretty soon anyway and yeah, Secret and OG maybe have been figured out a bit better now Wouldn't it be more logical to experiment with drafts at the START of a new patch as opposed to the end of one? Just seems like a lot of potential losses with nothing much to gain from it. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On December 04 2015 06:24 midou wrote: EE was going yolo from min 1, and Huskar needs at least a couple levels in the passive and an early game item like threads to do that. The main issue was simply not anticipating the Undying coming in top. He was zoning the DS, but the moment the UD comes to assist he is screwed if he is in such a position. Using all his regen and giving up first blood made his own laning phase really difficult when it didn't really need to go like that. | ||
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Verniy
Canada3360 Posts
On December 04 2015 06:26 Dysisa wrote: Wouldn't it be more logical to experiment with drafts at the START of a new patch as opposed to the end of one? Just seems like a lot of potential losses with nothing much to gain from it. experiment at start of patch to figure out the new meta experiment at end of patch because why not and if you learn something from experimenting at the end of a patch you can use it next patch if it doesn't get nerfed | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
On December 04 2015 06:31 Verniy wrote: experiment at start of patch to figure out the new meta experiment at end of patch because why not and if you learn something from experimenting at the end of a patch you can use it next patch if it doesn't get nerfed Still sounds weird to me but whatever I'm like 2k mmr or some shit I don't know anything about Dota | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On December 04 2015 06:26 Dysisa wrote: Wouldn't it be more logical to experiment with drafts at the START of a new patch as opposed to the end of one? Just seems like a lot of potential losses with nothing much to gain from it. they might know a lot of things we don't about the next patch already. like clairvoyance was saying during the previous series, there's gonna be 2 extra creep camps and some other big changes to the map. if he knows that kind of stuff i imagine secret knows at least as much. if that's the case, experimenting now makes a lot of sense. not sure if it's worth sacking starladder for it but u never know what's in their heads. well, everyone's but envy's. that's a mess either way. | ||
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babysimba
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On December 04 2015 06:18 viermalvier wrote: well usually husk is good against gyro, and liquid had some pretty bad games against him the last weeks Husk is good against Gyro if you have 4 points in Berserker's Blood before level 14 and can armlet toggle competently...neither of which Envy managed that game. (also it gets much much better with a Dazzle because then you don't even need to toggle competently but they couldn't snag him) The Razor and Nightstalker picks both would have shat on Envy in the midgame bar an absurd start, though, so I'm not sure what the gameplan was. | ||
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Thetwinmasters
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On December 04 2015 06:35 Dysisa wrote: Still sounds weird to me but whatever I'm like 2k mmr or some shit I don't know anything about Dota Experimenting is just a very good way to rationalize your favorite team losing. It works all the time because there is always a reason to experiment: New patch, end of patch, big tournament coming, hiding strat, etc. It's the go to excuse for Puppey fans especially, even when he drafts the same thing as everybody else like last game. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32746 Posts
Both runes go to Liquid gg. QoP support wut. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On December 04 2015 06:41 Diavlo wrote: Experimenting is just a very good way to rationalize your favorite team losing. It works all the time because there is always a reason to experiment: New patch, end of patch, big tournament coming, hiding strat, etc. It's the go to excuse for Puppey fans especially, even when he drafts the same thing as everybody else like last game. Huskar 2nd pick hardly is the same as everybody else. But as I said before there was a clear reason why they went Huskar and I don't think that was about experimenting. | ||
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wooozy
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uthgard
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