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Lackbleeder
741 Posts
On August 07 2015 08:26 Mensol wrote: Both RTZ and S4 lost the TI for Secret. also shout out to people who were saying new secret is better than the old one. KuroKy playing carry was the best thing happened to Dota 2. The secret that couldn't win a lan even if their lives depended on it ? | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On August 07 2015 08:17 Gevna wrote: So Secret most overrated / overhyped team in TI history ? I wouldn't call them overrated in the sense that they weren't the best team going in (they clearly were), however it was very clear that they had holes in their gameplans, and it's just that teams weren't exploiting them. It's the most stacked Western team in a long time in terms of overall skill, however it goes to show that team chemistry and cohesiveness is far more important than overall skill. We see this in EG where they have a very high level of skill, but also have absolutely excellent teamwork, and are never negative even when they lose (unlike what we saw here where RTZ clearly just blew up). | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3308 Posts
On August 07 2015 08:25 ShiaoPi wrote: alright, that makes the loss a bit better on my heart. Best of luck to fng :DD gay marriage legal on belarus? | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On August 07 2015 08:27 Darpa wrote: I'll cheer for EG and now VP despite that loss... I just dont think VP can beat the chinese teams... because the chinese teams wont beat themselves the way secret did. The better team moved on | ||
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Vadrigar
Bulgaria2379 Posts
On August 07 2015 08:24 xyzz wrote: s4 is just not a good enough mid player at this level, and his drafting and leadership skills got exposed. the way they skip disables could only get them so far. the fact they had to first phase ban gyrocopter every game was telling that something was really off. they had to first ban gyro because they have no one to play him. Secret is (was) a team with 2 mid players. That limited their drafts extremely. Oh well, pretty sure RTZ is out now. Looking forward to the reshuffle. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On August 07 2015 08:27 xyzz wrote: VG is a better team than Secret. Why would ice^3 leave them? Sweet gwailo money. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
no you | ||
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
Looks like vp inherited the winning drow visage spirit haha | ||
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pellejohnson
United States1931 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
Puppey made personnel decisions Kuro backed up. Leadership changes were made from within the team. Interpersonal issues neutered their practice time. Picks were made personal. They didn't deserve this TI. Collectively. Dota is a team game in more ways than the simple fact of there being other people in the game on your side. They showed they weren't ready when they started playing. No single person on the team or their performance caused this outcome. In the end, it just wasn't a TI winning team. Or it'd have won. | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
On August 07 2015 08:24 Grettin wrote: And do you remember game 1? Rtz was the reason they actually managed to win. Add Zai to that.. game 1 they actually played at the level they are at when they dont tilt.. everyone played equally well that game in the second game, rtz got cocky and played so embarassingly bad, it affected the whole team even the game afterwards. In g3, only kuroky and zai played really well imo. Puppey did stupid shit, s4 did stupid shit, rtz feeding again | ||
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mutantmagnet
United States3807 Posts
On August 07 2015 08:26 Mensol wrote: Both RTZ and S4 lost the TI for Secret. also shout out to people who were saying new secret is better than the old one. KuroKy playing carry was the best thing happened to Dota 2. Great time to put Secret fans on blast. The talent was their but I felt they were clinging on too much to a team that didn't dominate the scene nearly as hard as they thought they were capable of. | ||
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Verniy
Canada3360 Posts
On August 07 2015 08:28 Danzo wrote: You guys...........it's PPD vs China now. VP did a great run, but they won't go further in the Chinese power house. EG alone in this boys, can't turn back now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #BLEEDBLUE And then VP vs EG finals. + Show Spoiler + I can dream. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
It's the standard Chinese term for it I'm pretty sure, it's your mother's mother. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On August 07 2015 08:28 Daray wrote: S4 drafting got them out of their slump and they actually won all of their recent tournaments after s4 started drafting for them. I guess when TI is all that matters the last game that got them knocked out is all that will be remembered. Well that, and s4's ferocious feeding, and finishing the 2 position 5k networth behind the 5 position of the other team. I like S4, but he was god fucking awful that game. | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3308 Posts
On August 07 2015 08:28 superstartran wrote: I wouldn't call them overrated in the sense that they weren't the best team going in (they clearly were), however it was very clear that they had holes in their gameplans, and it's just that teams weren't exploiting them. It's the most stacked Western team in a long time in terms of overall skill, however it goes to show that team chemistry and cohesiveness is far more important than overall skill. We see this in EG where they have a very high level of skill, but also have absolutely excellent teamwork, and are never negative even when they lose (unlike what we saw here where RTZ clearly just blew up). inb4 they kick rtz and get fear. THE DREAM | ||
TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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DV G
Argentina2339 Posts
On August 07 2015 08:27 dmnum wrote: Thanks man, you've just solved the guy's life. Faiza the guru of love. | ||
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fixed_point
Germany4891 Posts
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