EPTOn August 06 2015 16:00 V1ctor wrote:
all stars is usually a complete borefest. Waste of time
all stars is usually a complete borefest. Waste of time
ts2 all stars tho
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
ts2 all stars tho | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On August 06 2015 15:54 IshinShishi wrote: I don't think you guys quite get it, this was bullshit levels of dominance, the game shouldn't have looked like this. Cty has been a notorious pubstar for his entire career and you could argue that he was mentally broken after g2 but this stomp was still too much.That wasn't all, sumail was not only there for every attempted play from EG, he also made multiple plays by his lonesome.I saw nothing like this from any other player in this TI. He's not the only one who's made big plays by himself, but he is the only player who PPD trusts to do this every game. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 06 2015 15:49 Supamang wrote: Can't really blame EHOME either. Without the farm they couldn't really risk much. Without the map control the couldn't really farm, and then with EGs lineup they couldn't really get map control. It was really well done by EG Yea I dont understand what there is to "blame". The game was very interesting to me. The movements across the map the turtling the control When we whine about Chinese doto being boring its usually when teams retreat into farm fests without either having an significant advantage or trying to gain one. Split map, zone out the other team and carries farm. That game doesnt exist anymore tbh | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Truth is: EG can't play well at all if Universe does not get stuff out of offlane. And even worse, if Aui gets shut down. As such, importance of Aui playing broken heroes that create space just by existence like BH, Naga or Techies becomes way too large. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
Safe to say Pony Bounty Lancer Gyro are gonna get the nerf hammer? | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 06 2015 16:03 lolfail9001 wrote: After this series i have got a very serious case of EG being really fucking one-dimensional. Truth is: EG can't play well at all if Universe does not get stuff out of offlane. And even worse, if Aui gets shut down. As such, importance of Aui playing broken heroes that create space just by existence like BH, Naga or Techies becomes way too large. These are rather obvious points to make and could be made for any team or player except hard 5's. Sample "If Sumail gets shut down in mid then Aui can make all the space he wants." | ||
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snow2.0
Germany2073 Posts
On August 06 2015 16:03 Rebs wrote: Yea I dont understand what there is to "blame". The game was very interesting to me. The movements across the map the turtling the control The one thing i'd blame EHOME for was not commiting to their turtle choice. I believe the straw that broke their back was getting caught out with 2 heroes toplane outside of the base and losing 2 more in the ensuing panic, then spending 3 buybacks and losing 1 more to gain 1 kill on sumail. Like, if they're going walk out of base to get caught out 30 minutes into the game, why couldn't they have tried to do something before you let EG farm the entire map for 15 minutes? Other than that, yea. What do. Getting into that kind of position would have preferably been avoided in the first place, but EG played very well. | ||
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
On August 06 2015 15:49 DucK- wrote: The razor pick is so simple I don't understand why people don't get it. You don't have to worry about dealing with farned pl when you're not looking to reach that stage anyway. Razor by nature is a very risky pick because you need a significant advantage in mid game, otherwise he becomes irrelevant. The risk was understood which is why the question was raised. Throughout the tournament we've seen teams come back by holding high ground and taking a good fight there or elsewhere later on. It doesn't always work out but I was concerned about EG' ability to continue playing at more stages of the game beyond mid. Looking at the hero pool there really isn't a good substitute that can siege, be self sufficient in lane and have decent farming speed. Shadowfiend? Not much of pusher to begin with. Troll Warlord? Not as great farming speed. Also easier to nuke down. Dragon knight? Wouldn't have laned as well and farming speed isn't any better. I guess Razor was their best option. | ||
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Reson
530 Posts
EG would have needed to change their style a lot more if Aui wasn't available. | ||
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
On August 06 2015 16:10 Reson wrote: EE saved EG by kicking Aui. EG would have needed to change their style a lot more if Aui wasn't available. We can also thank Secret for giving EE the pretext to make the change. The great western shuffle ended up favoring the team that didn't originally want any part of it.  | ||
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pajoondies
United States316 Posts
On August 06 2015 16:06 Rebs wrote: These are rather obvious points to make and could be made for any team or player except hard 5's. Sample "If Sumail gets shut down in mid then Aui can make all the space he wants." Well said Rebs :D seriously though, how does that make EG one dimensional? they're playing the game with the tools they have, in the best way to counter other teams' strengths. If Zai and Kuro have a bad game, or FY and Icex3, Phobos and Lil, etc., have bad games, then yeah, you have less space and are less likely to win -_- and you can't complain about "broken" heroes- if it's in the game, end of story. Besides, EG isn't the only team to be using BH and naga the way they've been used at TI, and if they're the only ones bold enough to pick techies then that's just how it is | ||
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Teton
France1656 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 06 2015 16:07 snow2.0 wrote: The one thing i'd blame EHOME for was not commiting to their turtle choice. I believe the straw that broke their back was getting caught out with 2 heroes toplane outside of the base and losing 2 more in the ensuing panic, then spending 3 buybacks and losing 1 more to gain 1 kill on sumail. Like, if they're going walk out of base to get caught out 30 minutes into the game, why couldn't they have tried to do something before you let EG farm the entire map for 15 minutes? Other than that, yea. What do. Getting into that kind of position would have preferably been avoided in the first place, but EG played very well. Yeah I agree, but the thing is its not that easy to turtle and also play catchup, especially because of the way EG played. You still have to farm or you just end up giving a 30k gold lead and then it doesnt matter. Generally the thing your mentioning has happened because teams who were leading either drafted way to all in ish or just went CIS ham. EG did neither. Before the game when I saw the draft from EHome looked super solid. They had everything, decent team fight good late game. They could play to any situation. What happened was that EG simply outplayed them in small ways Aui for example knew that they would protect the cour so he hardly even bothered to deal with and instead went for the FB which was massive at that point because Razor got far enough ahead to play that lane himself comfortably. Lanm on the other hand spent forever hugging trees on his BH. So for me its an amalgam of these little plays and nuanced decision making that was the difference between these teams. And ofc Sumail shitting on CTY. | ||
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Reson
530 Posts
On August 06 2015 16:12 mutantmagnet wrote: We can also thank Secret for giving EE the pretext to make the change. The great western shuffle ended up favoring the team that didn't originally want any part of it. Well not exactly cause if Secret didn't take Zai, EG would have been fine also. EE screwed up cause he wasn't strategic enough to Deny others of what they need. If he did nothing, he was in prime position to improve his team's standing. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On August 06 2015 16:10 mutantmagnet wrote: The risk was understood which is why the question was raised. Throughout the tournament we've seen teams come back by holding high ground and taking a good fight there or elsewhere later on. It doesn't always work out but I was concerned about EG' ability to continue playing at more stages of the game beyond mid. Looking at the hero pool there really isn't a good substitute that can siege, be self sufficient in lane and have decent farming speed. Shadowfiend? Not much of pusher to begin with. Troll Warlord? Not as great farming speed. Also easier to nuke down. Dragon knight? Wouldn't have laned as well and farming speed isn't any better. I guess Razor was their best option. EG didn't need to push high ground because ehome completely misjudged their position (not once but twice) , they left their base and got caught with their pants down.I don't think it's wise to rely on every single shackle shot not missing and doing huge work, but who knows, maybe ppd knew that the game would go like this all along. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 06 2015 16:17 IshinShishi wrote: EG didn't need to push high ground because ehome completely misjudged their position (not once but twice) , they left their base and got caught with their pants down.I don't think it's wise to rely on every single shackle shot not missing and doing huge work, but who knows, maybe ppd knew that the game would go like this all along. I just mentioned this but the thing is, if you look back at the game, it wasnt like Ehome "just" sat on high ground. They took small risks and pushed out in lanes when they felt it was safe. They tried to scrap every bit of map control they could with the gem and ward denials and avoid fights. But eventually you are going to make a mistake if the other team plays their deck right because they have all the cards. Thats what happened. The game ended quicker than it probably should have though because Ehome made a mistake but i dont think I saw it ending any other way. EG wouldve slow seiged them out of it regardless. | ||
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poidrac
United Kingdom60 Posts
Until something more official is produced, I am happy to share my findings. *Statistics gathered by myself throughout the day's play, there may be some discrepencies.* | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On August 06 2015 16:14 Teton wrote: I miss tidehunter picks and the screams that comes along with the ravages | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On August 06 2015 16:20 Rebs wrote: I just mentioned this but the thing is, if you look back at the game, it wasnt like Ehome "just" sat on high ground. They took small risks and pushed out in lanes when they felt it was safe. They tried to scrap every bit of map control they could with the gem and ward denials and avoid fights. But eventually you are going to make a mistake if the other team plays their deck right because they have all the cards. Thats what happened. The game ended quicker than it probably should have though because Ehome made a mistake but i dont think I saw it ending any other way. EG wouldve slow seiged them out of it regardless. The thing is, in theory they didn't need to do anything except defend high ground, there are only so many item slots for EG to fill and they were doing fine-ish despite the sumail show.In all honesty I'm glad they lost, the better team got through. | ||
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