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On August 05 2015 13:21 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2015 13:20 Jinxed wrote:On August 05 2015 13:19 Logo wrote:On August 05 2015 13:17 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On August 05 2015 13:17 TheYango wrote:On August 05 2015 13:14 Jinxed wrote:On August 05 2015 13:12 Logo wrote:
Also a question... Bone7 got wrecked in lane (I think iceiceice was at like 10:1 to Bone7's 0:0 at one point then to 18:0 vs 10:0). Is that how that lane is supposed to go? It seems like Phoenix should have some presence on the lane at least. No, against a good enough clock player Phoenix will get mana burned constantly by the cogs and without mana for fire spirits you actually can't do anything to clock as he just walks up with battery assault on and hits you. If you don't get all of your mana burned by level 3 you have a chance, but you need to kill him. You can start boots and leverage your boots advantage. Clock can't start boots in exchange, and the boots advantage means he can't burn you until he also gets boots (by which point you hit level 3 already). except clock did start boots and phoenix didnt that game? Didn't Phoenix get first blood credit? Couldn't he have gotten boots. First Blood and top rune. Then why did he not get boots, lol? Boots parity vs. no stout is playable because even without mana you're playing ranged vs. no stout melee. You expect your mana to get burned so you use mana aggressively and abuse his lack of stout before you have no mana and hope to get your first laning item out of it. Boots disadvantage means you just get chased out of lane because of the MS difference.
the problem is phoenix spamming out his mana before level 3 doesnt even do much because level 1 fire spirits is poop
and i'm sure rightclick harass can't threaten a kill alone while you're getting bumped by cogs all the time
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On August 05 2015 13:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
EE QoP.... REST IN PEACE
hey it could be bone qop
bone played qop this TI5
(hopefully)
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Germany3128 Posts
Doesn't EE have a good place to study? If so I actually could imagine he would retire...
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If Envy plays QOP its over guys.
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On August 05 2015 13:17 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2015 13:17 Valhalla44 wrote:On August 05 2015 13:15 Azarkon wrote:On August 05 2015 13:15 Valhalla44 wrote:On August 05 2015 13:14 Azarkon wrote:
You want to know how to beat VG, just watch how they got destroyed by the Americans. Yo wheres West teams in upper bracket azarkon? Americans are there. Wasnt this TI to be dominated by west? Europeans failed again.
How about you just admit for once that the Chinese teams are simply better at teamplay, and that's what matters at the highest level. Only EG really has shown teamwork/5 man discipline that is on par with the Chinese teams. It's easy to look good when you dominate and never face adversity, but LGD/Vici/EHOME (who happen to be captained by VERY good captains) all are playing extremely disciplined DotA even when behind. You can see this in how they play, even when they are behind they never abandon their gameplan like c9, secret, Empire, and other Western teams have. It's like they lose a few fights and just totally abandon their gameplan.
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On August 05 2015 13:23 Valhalla44 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2015 13:22 plasmidghost wrote:On August 05 2015 13:20 Kraznaya wrote:On August 05 2015 13:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Alright C9, if you pick Meepo for BigDaddy,, even if you lose, I'll still be your fan they essentially won't exist after TI so it doesn't matter Yeah, Jack's gonna fire at least 3 of them and get better players, maybe some hot NA talent (I hope) What NA talent ? :D
Hell if I know, maybe SumaiL's brother YawaR is a hidden pool of talent
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On August 05 2015 13:23 Valhalla44 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2015 13:22 plasmidghost wrote:On August 05 2015 13:20 Kraznaya wrote:On August 05 2015 13:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Alright C9, if you pick Meepo for BigDaddy,, even if you lose, I'll still be your fan they essentially won't exist after TI so it doesn't matter Yeah, Jack's gonna fire at least 3 of them and get better players, maybe some hot NA talent (I hope) What NA talent ? :D
Sloppy seconds EG doesn't pick up (for their potential 2nd team)
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On August 05 2015 13:21 overt wrote:
All this talk about FATA deserving a better team, bone7 being bad, and EE needing to get the boot is kinda silly imo. They should stay together for the simple fact that no team is gonna want any of these five players after seeing how clowny they go.
And just my 2 cents but FATA is honestly just average.
If they bone instead of Aui they would still be tittle contenteder imo. FATA is not a star but he can do his job, i still think Sing2 is a better player
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On August 05 2015 13:21 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2015 13:20 Jinxed wrote:On August 05 2015 13:19 Logo wrote:On August 05 2015 13:17 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On August 05 2015 13:17 TheYango wrote:On August 05 2015 13:14 Jinxed wrote:On August 05 2015 13:12 Logo wrote:
Also a question... Bone7 got wrecked in lane (I think iceiceice was at like 10:1 to Bone7's 0:0 at one point then to 18:0 vs 10:0). Is that how that lane is supposed to go? It seems like Phoenix should have some presence on the lane at least. No, against a good enough clock player Phoenix will get mana burned constantly by the cogs and without mana for fire spirits you actually can't do anything to clock as he just walks up with battery assault on and hits you. If you don't get all of your mana burned by level 3 you have a chance, but you need to kill him. You can start boots and leverage your boots advantage. Clock can't start boots in exchange, and the boots advantage means he can't burn you until he also gets boots (by which point you hit level 3 already). except clock did start boots and phoenix didnt that game? Didn't Phoenix get first blood credit? Couldn't he have gotten boots. First Blood and top rune. Then why did he not get boots, lol? Boots parity vs. no stout is playable because even without mana you're playing ranged vs. no stout melee. You expect your mana to get burned so you use mana aggressively and abuse his lack of stout before you have no mana. Boots disadvantage means you just get chased out of lane because of the MS difference.
It's really not. Phoenix is really slow, has no armor and does no damage with spells. Also Phoenix had boots at level 1, just looked it up. As clock you just run up and hit him and he has to back off.
Clock has a lot of hp and a good amount of armor. He can zone with cogs effectively and if Phoenix gets caught you have a 50/50 chance of actually escaping thanks to battery. It's not a good matchup for Phoenix at all.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On August 05 2015 13:23 TheNewEra wrote:
Doesn't EE have a good place to study? If so I actually could imagine he would retire...
He is an actual anime character, he'd rather die than give up his dream to win TI
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Well, C9's going full midgame, I wonder how it'll work out for them
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On August 05 2015 13:24 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2015 13:17 Azarkon wrote:On August 05 2015 13:17 Valhalla44 wrote:On August 05 2015 13:15 Azarkon wrote:On August 05 2015 13:15 Valhalla44 wrote:On August 05 2015 13:14 Azarkon wrote:
You want to know how to beat VG, just watch how they got destroyed by the Americans. Yo wheres West teams in upper bracket azarkon? Americans are there. Wasnt this TI to be dominated by west? Europeans failed again. How about you just admit for once that the Chinese teams are simply better at teamplay, and that's what matters at the highest level. Only EG really has shown teamwork/5 man discipline that is on par with the Chinese teams. It's easy to look good when you dominate and never face adversity, but LGD/Vici/EHOME (who happen to be captained by VERY good captains) all are playing extremely disciplined DotA even when behind. You can see this in how they play, even when they are behind they never abandon their gameplan like c9, secret, Empire, and other Western teams have. It's like they lose a few fights and just totally abandon their gameplan.
You're wasting too much effort here. Just acknowledge that Azarkon's anti-China stance is one of the few stable truths of the universe.
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Uh oh, no stuns on C9, yet. Plz C9, don't let them have Storm with no stuns....
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On August 05 2015 13:24 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2015 13:17 Azarkon wrote:On August 05 2015 13:17 Valhalla44 wrote:On August 05 2015 13:15 Azarkon wrote:On August 05 2015 13:15 Valhalla44 wrote:On August 05 2015 13:14 Azarkon wrote:
You want to know how to beat VG, just watch how they got destroyed by the Americans. Yo wheres West teams in upper bracket azarkon? Americans are there. Wasnt this TI to be dominated by west? Europeans failed again. How about you just admit for once that the Chinese teams are simply better at teamplay, and that's what matters at the highest level. Only EG really has shown teamwork/5 man discipline that is on par with the Chinese teams. It's easy to look good when you dominate and never face adversity, but LGD/Vici/EHOME (who happen to be captained by VERY good captains) all are playing extremely disciplined DotA even when behind. You can see this in how they play, even when they are behind they never abandon their gameplan like c9, secret, Empire, and other Western teams have. It's like they lose a few fights and just totally abandon their gameplan.
Because that's not how they're winning.
Team - Empire has it. They still lost to MVP out playing them. Secret has it. They still lost to bad pick.
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Again 0 stuns against DS, that obviously wont work. We are out boys, time to go to sleep
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 05 2015 13:25 Xinder wrote:
Uh oh, no stuns on C9, yet. Plz C9, don't let them have Storm with no stuns....
C9 don't need stuns, they aim to end before 20 minute mark.
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Germany3128 Posts
On August 05 2015 13:24 plasmidghost wrote:
Well, C9's going full midgame, I wonder how it'll work out for them
20k lead. Then Gyro.
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