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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 04:22:48
August 05 2015 04:21 GMT
#6161
On August 05 2015 13:20 Jinxed wrote:
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On August 05 2015 13:19 Logo wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:17 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:17 TheYango wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:14 Jinxed wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:12 Logo wrote:
Also a question... Bone7 got wrecked in lane (I think iceiceice was at like 10:1 to Bone7's 0:0 at one point then to 18:0 vs 10:0). Is that how that lane is supposed to go? It seems like Phoenix should have some presence on the lane at least.

No, against a good enough clock player Phoenix will get mana burned constantly by the cogs and without mana for fire spirits you actually can't do anything to clock as he just walks up with battery assault on and hits you. If you don't get all of your mana burned by level 3 you have a chance, but you need to kill him.

You can start boots and leverage your boots advantage. Clock can't start boots in exchange, and the boots advantage means he can't burn you until he also gets boots (by which point you hit level 3 already).

except clock did start boots and phoenix didnt that game?



Didn't Phoenix get first blood credit? Couldn't he have gotten boots.

First Blood and top rune.

Then why did he not get boots, lol?

Boots parity vs. no stout is playable because even without mana you're playing ranged vs. no stout melee. You expect your mana to get burned so you use mana aggressively and abuse his lack of stout before you have no mana and hope to get your first laning item out of it.

Boots disadvantage means you just get chased out of lane because of the MS difference.
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dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
August 05 2015 04:21 GMT
#6162
On August 05 2015 13:03 Azarkon wrote:
C9 is actually stupid. All they needed to do to make that work was a single...


I love how all your western heroes are suddenly stupid. I guess they are just mechanical monsters with no brains or something?
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
August 05 2015 04:21 GMT
#6163
yango can VG play ww
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Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
August 05 2015 04:21 GMT
#6164
Hey how does winter's curse works on Meepo? Will the clones attack the one being cursed?
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44247 Posts
August 05 2015 04:21 GMT
#6165
On August 05 2015 13:15 Sabu113 wrote:
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On August 05 2015 13:14 trifecta wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:12 Seraphic wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:11 synapse wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:09 Kuroeeah wrote:
I love how c9 fans aren't even surprised.

It's honestly amazing how long this lategame cant-end-the-game shit has plagued c9


It will always be like that with EE as Carry.

It's Fata/Misery's legacy, EE is not at fault here.


yep nothing at fault with ee carry


Well.

Maybe envy's strength is his shotcalling and draft ideas. If he can focus more on that and less on himself maybe he could have his c9 styled team that's a little better?


What I am saying is

Come home RTZ.


Kaipi/Speedgaming never forget

although rtz is hot shit so that's not happening
this is a quote
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
August 05 2015 04:21 GMT
#6166
All this talk about FATA deserving a better team, bone7 being bad, and EE needing to get the boot is kinda silly imo. They should stay together for the simple fact that no team is gonna want any of these five players after seeing how clowny they go.

And just my 2 cents but FATA is honestly just average.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
August 05 2015 04:22 GMT
#6167
I think C9 goes for phantom lancer.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 04:22:38
August 05 2015 04:22 GMT
#6168
On August 05 2015 13:21 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:20 Jinxed wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:19 Logo wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:17 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:17 TheYango wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:14 Jinxed wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:12 Logo wrote:
Also a question... Bone7 got wrecked in lane (I think iceiceice was at like 10:1 to Bone7's 0:0 at one point then to 18:0 vs 10:0). Is that how that lane is supposed to go? It seems like Phoenix should have some presence on the lane at least.

No, against a good enough clock player Phoenix will get mana burned constantly by the cogs and without mana for fire spirits you actually can't do anything to clock as he just walks up with battery assault on and hits you. If you don't get all of your mana burned by level 3 you have a chance, but you need to kill him.

You can start boots and leverage your boots advantage. Clock can't start boots in exchange, and the boots advantage means he can't burn you until he also gets boots (by which point you hit level 3 already).

except clock did start boots and phoenix didnt that game?



Didn't Phoenix get first blood credit? Couldn't he have gotten boots.

First Blood and top rune.

Then why did he not get boots, lol?

Boots parity vs. no stout is playable because even without mana you're playing ranged vs. no stout melee. You expect your mana to get burned so you use mana aggressively and abuse his lack of stout before you have no mana.

Boots disadvantage means you just get chased out of lane because of the MS difference.


With both of those he should have been able to afford tranquils or damn close to it :/
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
August 05 2015 04:22 GMT
#6169
On August 05 2015 13:19 Elurie wrote:
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On August 05 2015 13:16 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:16 Azarkon wrote:
Also, I think which ever team gets through today, is going to lose to MVP.


Do you just hate China or you hate Asians in general?

He is asian lol.

R u srs Lmao
What happened to him as a child
© Current year.
Valhalla44
Profile Joined May 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina983 Posts
August 05 2015 04:22 GMT
#6170
I still dont belive i overslept over Ehome rektifying Secret.
Damn EU time zone and lack of sleep .
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44247 Posts
August 05 2015 04:22 GMT
#6171
oh good they stopped picking wisp first
this is a quote
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
August 05 2015 04:22 GMT
#6172
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 05 2015 04:23 GMT
#6173
EE QoP.... REST IN PEACE
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
August 05 2015 04:23 GMT
#6174
On August 05 2015 13:20 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:18 Seraphic wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:15 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:14 trifecta wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:12 Seraphic wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:11 synapse wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:09 Kuroeeah wrote:
I love how c9 fans aren't even surprised.

It's honestly amazing how long this lategame cant-end-the-game shit has plagued c9


It will always be like that with EE as Carry.

It's Fata/Misery's legacy, EE is not at fault here.


yep nothing at fault with ee carry

EE has his own faults, but their lategame inability is not EE's fault at all, more like FATA's/Misery's inability to play it.


Uhhh...

So random Deso 5th item, died bot lane for no reason with no back up. How is that not EE's fault?

the deso was clearly planning for the desperation backdoor

that loss was whoever called to play like a pussy post teamfight loss


I suppose but it would have been better to just Rapier if you really wana have any sort of way to win.

But who knows.
Natus Vincere Fan | Team Secret Fan | SK Telecom T1 Fan | Lanaya the Templar Assassin <3
Valhalla44
Profile Joined May 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina983 Posts
August 05 2015 04:23 GMT
#6175
On August 05 2015 13:22 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:20 Kraznaya wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Alright C9, if you pick Meepo for BigDaddy,, even if you lose, I'll still be your fan


they essentially won't exist after TI so it doesn't matter

Yeah, Jack's gonna fire at least 3 of them and get better players, maybe some hot NA talent (I hope)


What NA talent ? :D
RiZu
Profile Joined February 2012
Singapore5715 Posts
August 05 2015 04:23 GMT
#6176
fEEd Qop.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 05 2015 04:23 GMT
#6177
On August 05 2015 13:23 Seraphic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:20 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:18 Seraphic wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:15 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:14 trifecta wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:12 Seraphic wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:11 synapse wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:09 Kuroeeah wrote:
I love how c9 fans aren't even surprised.

It's honestly amazing how long this lategame cant-end-the-game shit has plagued c9


It will always be like that with EE as Carry.

It's Fata/Misery's legacy, EE is not at fault here.


yep nothing at fault with ee carry

EE has his own faults, but their lategame inability is not EE's fault at all, more like FATA's/Misery's inability to play it.


Uhhh...

So random Deso 5th item, died bot lane for no reason with no back up. How is that not EE's fault?

the deso was clearly planning for the desperation backdoor

that loss was whoever called to play like a pussy post teamfight loss


I suppose but it would have been better to just Rapier if you really wana have any sort of way to win.

But who knows.

He had no gold for rapier.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
August 05 2015 04:23 GMT
#6178
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EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
August 05 2015 04:23 GMT
#6179
6.30 here now, damn i been up for a while
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
Verniy
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada3360 Posts
August 05 2015 04:23 GMT
#6180
On August 05 2015 13:23 Valhalla44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:22 plasmidghost wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:20 Kraznaya wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Alright C9, if you pick Meepo for BigDaddy,, even if you lose, I'll still be your fan


they essentially won't exist after TI so it doesn't matter

Yeah, Jack's gonna fire at least 3 of them and get better players, maybe some hot NA talent (I hope)


What NA talent ? :D

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