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Valhalla44
Profile Joined May 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina983 Posts
August 05 2015 04:17 GMT
#6121
On August 05 2015 13:15 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:15 Valhalla44 wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:14 Azarkon wrote:
You want to know how to beat VG, just watch how they got destroyed by the Americans.


Yo wheres West teams in upper bracket azarkon?


Americans are there.


Wasnt this TI to be dominated by west?
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
August 05 2015 04:17 GMT
#6122
On August 05 2015 13:16 shad2810 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:15 Azarkon wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:15 Valhalla44 wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:14 Azarkon wrote:
You want to know how to beat VG, just watch how they got destroyed by the Americans.


Yo wheres West teams in upper bracket azarkon?


Americans are there.


American. Only one team.


Five players in a team.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 05 2015 04:17 GMT
#6123
On August 05 2015 13:14 Jinxed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:12 Logo wrote:
Also a question... Bone7 got wrecked in lane (I think iceiceice was at like 10:1 to Bone7's 0:0 at one point then to 18:0 vs 10:0). Is that how that lane is supposed to go? It seems like Phoenix should have some presence on the lane at least.

No, against a good enough clock player Phoenix will get mana burned constantly by the cogs and without mana for fire spirits you actually can't do anything to clock as he just walks up with battery assault on and hits you. If you don't get all of your mana burned by level 3 you have a chance, but you need to kill him.

You can start boots and leverage your boots advantage. Clock can't start boots in exchange, and the boots advantage means he can't burn you until he also gets boots (by which point you hit level 3 already).
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thiagoop
Profile Joined May 2015
Brazil365 Posts
August 05 2015 04:17 GMT
#6124
After that rosh, they had full bkbs, one racks up, if they just push mid with sf front and wisp back, how do you not win this?

They have no way of passing through aegis without using the cooldows... Its a pretty simple decision to make when you are 20k ahead, even if they lose the fight there, its better than not pushing the advantage and giving the enemy spectre the space to catch up. That is some next lvl shitty decision making.
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 04:18:35
August 05 2015 04:17 GMT
#6125
On August 05 2015 13:15 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:13 EmilA wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:12 Logo wrote:
Also a question... Bone7 got wrecked in lane (I think iceiceice was at like 10:1 to Bone7's 0:0 at one point then to 18:0 vs 10:0). Is that how that lane is supposed to go? It seems like Phoenix should have some presence on the lane at least.


Anything but complete shutdown of the clockwork is unreasoanble for that lane


Yeah... that's what I was expecting.

Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:14 Jinxed wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:12 Logo wrote:
Also a question... Bone7 got wrecked in lane (I think iceiceice was at like 10:1 to Bone7's 0:0 at one point then to 18:0 vs 10:0). Is that how that lane is supposed to go? It seems like Phoenix should have some presence on the lane at least.

No, against a good enough clock player Phoenix will get mana burned constantly by the cogs and without mana for fire spirits you actually can't do anything to clock as he just walks up with battery assault on and hits you. If you don't get all of your mana burned by level 3 you have a chance, but you need to kill him.


This is also reasonable though.

Phoenix has no presence in lane before 3. Clock does. And considering the difference in skill level it's not surprising that Ice3 won that lane.

On August 05 2015 13:17 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:14 Jinxed wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:12 Logo wrote:
Also a question... Bone7 got wrecked in lane (I think iceiceice was at like 10:1 to Bone7's 0:0 at one point then to 18:0 vs 10:0). Is that how that lane is supposed to go? It seems like Phoenix should have some presence on the lane at least.

No, against a good enough clock player Phoenix will get mana burned constantly by the cogs and without mana for fire spirits you actually can't do anything to clock as he just walks up with battery assault on and hits you. If you don't get all of your mana burned by level 3 you have a chance, but you need to kill him.

You can start boots and leverage your boots advantage. Clock can't start boots in exchange, and the boots advantage means he can't burn you until he also gets boots (by which point you hit level 3 already).


You realize that Ice3 started boots in the matchup and despite the fact that Bone got the matchup he wanted he got completely wrecked.

You don't need a lot of regen as clock in the matchup. Phoenix does no damage before level 3.
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Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11077 Posts
August 05 2015 04:17 GMT
#6126
Man NoTail looks like shit
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
August 05 2015 04:17 GMT
#6127
On August 05 2015 13:15 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:14 trifecta wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:12 Seraphic wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:11 synapse wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:09 Kuroeeah wrote:
I love how c9 fans aren't even surprised.

It's honestly amazing how long this lategame cant-end-the-game shit has plagued c9


It will always be like that with EE as Carry.

It's Fata/Misery's legacy, EE is not at fault here.


yep nothing at fault with ee carry

EE has his own faults, but their lategame inability is not EE's fault at all, more like FATA's/Misery's inability to play it.

the refusal to push after that one teamfight loss was probably ee's call though
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 05 2015 04:17 GMT
#6128
On August 05 2015 13:16 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:16 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:15 Azarkon wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:15 Valhalla44 wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:14 Azarkon wrote:
You want to know how to beat VG, just watch how they got destroyed by the Americans.


Yo wheres West teams in upper bracket azarkon?


Americans are there.

They lucked out by playing americans anyways.


How did they get that, I wonder.

by other americans lucking out to play Clown9.
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TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
August 05 2015 04:17 GMT
#6129
Just yolo it for us fans C9. Notail meepo pls.
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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
August 05 2015 04:17 GMT
#6130
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ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
August 05 2015 04:17 GMT
#6131
Hao on gyro should be much less retarded
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
August 05 2015 04:17 GMT
#6132
On August 05 2015 13:17 Valhalla44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:15 Azarkon wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:15 Valhalla44 wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:14 Azarkon wrote:
You want to know how to beat VG, just watch how they got destroyed by the Americans.


Yo wheres West teams in upper bracket azarkon?


Americans are there.


Wasnt this TI to be dominated by west?


Europeans failed again.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
August 05 2015 04:17 GMT
#6133
On August 05 2015 13:17 Sabu113 wrote:
Man NoTail looks like shit


I'd look like shit too if my team seemed dedicated to ruining my amazing record on a hero
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9572 Posts
August 05 2015 04:17 GMT
#6134
On August 05 2015 13:16 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:16 Latham wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:15 juff wrote:
Ok, this is it, the brink of elimination. There's one last chance, one last hope, one last moment at TI for our heroes. Please pick terrorblade.


No. pls pick carry naga with cancer splitpush


Drow visage for old times sake?


BTW why did this go away? was it only successful because of the surprise factor, did the teams learn how to deal with it, or are there just flat out better options right now?
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/user/LathamTK/builds/#view=CrqmP6
Ravensong170
Profile Joined June 2012
United States858 Posts
August 05 2015 04:17 GMT
#6135
On August 05 2015 13:10 overt wrote:
I legitimately feel bad for the parents of the players of Cloud9 who have to watch this. It'd be like going to your kid's little league game, seeing them score 15 runs in the first five innings, and then watching them play in the dirt for the rest of the game while they get run over by the other kid's team.

Fantastic analogy for how absolute shit c9 played post taking top rax...... holy shit......
"what a terrible ass game, we should all kill ourselves." -EE-Sama
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
August 05 2015 04:17 GMT
#6136
On August 05 2015 13:17 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:14 Jinxed wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:12 Logo wrote:
Also a question... Bone7 got wrecked in lane (I think iceiceice was at like 10:1 to Bone7's 0:0 at one point then to 18:0 vs 10:0). Is that how that lane is supposed to go? It seems like Phoenix should have some presence on the lane at least.

No, against a good enough clock player Phoenix will get mana burned constantly by the cogs and without mana for fire spirits you actually can't do anything to clock as he just walks up with battery assault on and hits you. If you don't get all of your mana burned by level 3 you have a chance, but you need to kill him.

You can start boots and leverage your boots advantage. Clock can't start boots in exchange, and the boots advantage means he can't burn you until he also gets boots (by which point you hit level 3 already).

except clock did start boots and phoenix didnt that game?
posting on liquid sites in current year
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
August 05 2015 04:18 GMT
#6137
On August 05 2015 13:15 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:14 trifecta wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:12 Seraphic wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:11 synapse wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:09 Kuroeeah wrote:
I love how c9 fans aren't even surprised.

It's honestly amazing how long this lategame cant-end-the-game shit has plagued c9


It will always be like that with EE as Carry.

It's Fata/Misery's legacy, EE is not at fault here.


yep nothing at fault with ee carry

EE has his own faults, but their lategame inability is not EE's fault at all, more like FATA's/Misery's inability to play it.


Uhhh...

So random Deso 5th item, died bot lane for no reason with no back up. How is that not EE's fault?
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RiZu
Profile Joined February 2012
Singapore5715 Posts
August 05 2015 04:18 GMT
#6138
On August 05 2015 13:17 ZeaL. wrote:
Hao on gyro should be much less retarded

At one point, Hao played gyro nearly every game even before it got buffed.
Zvoboo
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany160 Posts
August 05 2015 04:18 GMT
#6139
Now he can't pick Lina vs Gyro :/
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
August 05 2015 04:18 GMT
#6140
On August 05 2015 13:17 Jinxed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 13:15 Logo wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:13 EmilA wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:12 Logo wrote:
Also a question... Bone7 got wrecked in lane (I think iceiceice was at like 10:1 to Bone7's 0:0 at one point then to 18:0 vs 10:0). Is that how that lane is supposed to go? It seems like Phoenix should have some presence on the lane at least.


Anything but complete shutdown of the clockwork is unreasoanble for that lane


Yeah... that's what I was expecting.

On August 05 2015 13:14 Jinxed wrote:
On August 05 2015 13:12 Logo wrote:
Also a question... Bone7 got wrecked in lane (I think iceiceice was at like 10:1 to Bone7's 0:0 at one point then to 18:0 vs 10:0). Is that how that lane is supposed to go? It seems like Phoenix should have some presence on the lane at least.

No, against a good enough clock player Phoenix will get mana burned constantly by the cogs and without mana for fire spirits you actually can't do anything to clock as he just walks up with battery assault on and hits you. If you don't get all of your mana burned by level 3 you have a chance, but you need to kill him.


This is also reasonable though.

Phoenix has no presence in lane before 3. Clock does. And considering the difference in skill level it's not surprising that Ice3 won that lane.


Well that part I definitely agree with. Ice3 is a beast.

But even without lane presence until 3 it still seems like Phoenix should at least get something out of the lane besides all mana burned.
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