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Ravensong170
Profile Joined June 2012
United States858 Posts
July 31 2015 12:46 GMT
#41
On July 31 2015 18:58 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Can anyone tell me why VP picked Fnatic over NaVi?

I would root for Phoenix, but it's Bo1. Newbee can take it( Anyway, here are the predictions:

First Round:
Upper Bracket: LGD > Empire 2-1 (sylar >>> silent), Secret > EHOME 2-1, EG > CoL 2-0 (terrorism please!), CDEC > C9 2-1 (last time I checked C9 can't fight gyro, bh and ember at all).
Lower Bracket: VG > NaVi (no Lesh/ES combo for NaVi = free-win), iG > Hot6 (I see Burning cancer lancer already), Fnatic > VP (just pick WK and everything would be ok), Phoenix > Newbee (nvm my fanboy speaking).

Second Round:
Upper Bracket: LGD > CDEC 2-1 (Maybe won't lose to his prev team), EG > Secret 2-1 (suprise suprise)
Lower Bracket: C9 > VG 2-0 (miracles don't happen), iG > EHOME 2-1 (burning please 4th place is waiting for ya), Phoenix > Empire 2-1 (KOREAN DREAM GO), Fnatic > coL 2-1.

Third Round:
C9 > Phoenix 2-0 and Azarkon writes a poem about it, iG > Fnatic 2-1 (SWEET FUCKING REVENGE)

3 Western teams and 3 Chinese teams in top6. I think it's fair.


VP probably picked Fnatic because that whole team is very emotional and they got shit rekt the last couple days of groups. NaVI is known for playing better when backs are against the wall. Pretty much every TI (TI3, TI2, TI4 First round of losers). I have a feeling VP would rather play NaVi in a BO3 than BO1. Fnatic just looks lost and without hope. Those Col Games and LGD games were rough.
"what a terrible ass game, we should all kill ourselves." -EE-Sama
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 31 2015 12:46 GMT
#42
On July 31 2015 21:30 Ravensong170 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 21:28 haduken wrote:
if ig loses to koreans again they should just disband and really retire.

chuan can fuck off back to malaysia and then form another sea powerhouse.


Cause Korea is bad ? IG is not a strong team, and I hope both MVP teams move through to the BO3.

I hate BO1's though in a world championship tourney... I don't know why valve would extend the tourney but still have 1st round BO1.... That 1 game is worth over 150k.....

I don't think Korea teams any worse than any other region, they just don't have really scary teams like EG, Secret. Both MVPs can take games off any team at the event.

And I am sure we will find out the Bo1 is due to venue restrictions and time. Are any elimination matches in the losers bracket going to be Bo1?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 31 2015 12:48 GMT
#43
just give mvp warlock ez lower bracket
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Ravensong170
Profile Joined June 2012
United States858 Posts
July 31 2015 12:51 GMT
#44
On July 31 2015 21:46 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 21:30 Ravensong170 wrote:
On July 31 2015 21:28 haduken wrote:
if ig loses to koreans again they should just disband and really retire.

chuan can fuck off back to malaysia and then form another sea powerhouse.


Cause Korea is bad ? IG is not a strong team, and I hope both MVP teams move through to the BO3.

I hate BO1's though in a world championship tourney... I don't know why valve would extend the tourney but still have 1st round BO1.... That 1 game is worth over 150k.....

I don't think Korea teams any worse than any other region, they just don't have really scary teams like EG, Secret. Both MVPs can take games off any team at the event.

And I am sure we will find out the Bo1 is due to venue restrictions and time. Are any elimination matches in the losers bracket going to be Bo1?


The first 4 games of Losers are BO1. So 4 teams are eliminated in a BO1. That's rough.
"what a terrible ass game, we should all kill ourselves." -EE-Sama
elagrion
Profile Joined April 2010
Ukraine422 Posts
July 31 2015 12:55 GMT
#45
On July 31 2015 14:29 a-game wrote:
If I understand it correctly, MVP Phoenix chose to play vs. Newbee rather than MVP Hot6? What do you guys think about that. I find it kind of surprising. Sure it avoids organizational cannibalism but Hot6 went 2-12 in groups and seem to be the weaker opponent.

Well, in korean Starcraft: BroodWar it was usual to avoid team-kills (when 2 teammates are facing each other), and one of the reasons is that when you train very often with each other very weird mind-games and off-bit strategies starts to dominate, and in weird settings usually a weaker player could become favourite to win.

That being said, yes Dota is different, but still - they are Koreans.
Everything is a remix.
elagrion
Profile Joined April 2010
Ukraine422 Posts
July 31 2015 12:58 GMT
#46
On July 31 2015 21:46 Ravensong170 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 18:58 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Can anyone tell me why VP picked Fnatic over NaVi?

I would root for Phoenix, but it's Bo1. Newbee can take it( Anyway, here are the predictions:

First Round:
Upper Bracket: LGD > Empire 2-1 (sylar >>> silent), Secret > EHOME 2-1, EG > CoL 2-0 (terrorism please!), CDEC > C9 2-1 (last time I checked C9 can't fight gyro, bh and ember at all).
Lower Bracket: VG > NaVi (no Lesh/ES combo for NaVi = free-win), iG > Hot6 (I see Burning cancer lancer already), Fnatic > VP (just pick WK and everything would be ok), Phoenix > Newbee (nvm my fanboy speaking).

Second Round:
Upper Bracket: LGD > CDEC 2-1 (Maybe won't lose to his prev team), EG > Secret 2-1 (suprise suprise)
Lower Bracket: C9 > VG 2-0 (miracles don't happen), iG > EHOME 2-1 (burning please 4th place is waiting for ya), Phoenix > Empire 2-1 (KOREAN DREAM GO), Fnatic > coL 2-1.

Third Round:
C9 > Phoenix 2-0 and Azarkon writes a poem about it, iG > Fnatic 2-1 (SWEET FUCKING REVENGE)

3 Western teams and 3 Chinese teams in top6. I think it's fair.


VP probably picked Fnatic because that whole team is very emotional and they got shit rekt the last couple days of groups. NaVI is known for playing better when backs are against the wall. Pretty much every TI (TI3, TI2, TI4 First round of losers). I have a feeling VP would rather play NaVi in a BO3 than BO1. Fnatic just looks lost and without hope. Those Col Games and LGD games were rough.

Nah, VP not picked Na'Vi 'cos they are friends and stuff. I am 99,9% sure of it (despite what fng will tell you in interviews).
Everything is a remix.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 31 2015 13:01 GMT
#47
and most likely vp and navi scrimmed (just speculation) so itd be pretty hard to play against someone who knows how you play (and vice versa)
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 31 2015 13:06 GMT
#48
On July 31 2015 21:51 Ravensong170 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 21:46 Plansix wrote:
On July 31 2015 21:30 Ravensong170 wrote:
On July 31 2015 21:28 haduken wrote:
if ig loses to koreans again they should just disband and really retire.

chuan can fuck off back to malaysia and then form another sea powerhouse.


Cause Korea is bad ? IG is not a strong team, and I hope both MVP teams move through to the BO3.

I hate BO1's though in a world championship tourney... I don't know why valve would extend the tourney but still have 1st round BO1.... That 1 game is worth over 150k.....

I don't think Korea teams any worse than any other region, they just don't have really scary teams like EG, Secret. Both MVPs can take games off any team at the event.

And I am sure we will find out the Bo1 is due to venue restrictions and time. Are any elimination matches in the losers bracket going to be Bo1?


The first 4 games of Losers are BO1. So 4 teams are eliminated in a BO1. That's rough.

That is harsh, but should be interesting at least. Day one will be a blood bath for sure. I can see why the groups stages were so competitive.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
July 31 2015 13:19 GMT
#49
Matchup wise this is a dream bracket for c9. Whether they will rise to the occasion is hard to say, but you pretty much couldn't design the upper bracket better for them.

LGD vs Empire is also an interesting matchup. Last time they played at MarsTV Empire knocked out LGD 2-1. Though LGD is the favorite of course based on their TI performance this far, but interesting to see whether Empire can mount a challenge.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12185 Posts
July 31 2015 13:39 GMT
#50
On July 31 2015 15:48 Vertical wrote:
interesting how high quality team will play against techies
as currently techies is a niche unbeatable pick if played by high quality team (EG & Secret, not u CoLololol pfffttt)
so far techies loss only come from CoLololol (pfffttt) against secret
I wonder how EG, Secret, LGD, CDEC will react to techies


I wonder how CDEC does against techies...

mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3807 Posts
July 31 2015 13:50 GMT
#51
On July 31 2015 21:55 elagrion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 14:29 a-game wrote:
If I understand it correctly, MVP Phoenix chose to play vs. Newbee rather than MVP Hot6? What do you guys think about that. I find it kind of surprising. Sure it avoids organizational cannibalism but Hot6 went 2-12 in groups and seem to be the weaker opponent.

Well, in korean Starcraft: BroodWar it was usual to avoid team-kills (when 2 teammates are facing each other), and one of the reasons is that when you train very often with each other very weird mind-games and off-bit strategies starts to dominate, and in weird settings usually a weaker player could become favourite to win.

That being said, yes Dota is different, but still - they are Koreans.



It's cause they're Koreans and not because Hot Six consistently has beaten them in head to head....

Ok
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
July 31 2015 14:10 GMT
#52
VG please play good for once.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-31 14:13:54
July 31 2015 14:12 GMT
#53
arguably, putting the two mvp teams against each other is the safest and most profitable way, as it guarantees one mvp team moves onto lb round 2. in other words, it means one mvp team is guaranteed 12th place which is an extra $150k?

with this move it looks like mvp are putting national pride and camaraderie over money, as there is a real risk they both go out in this round. of course theres also the chance that they both advance make even more money
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
July 31 2015 14:26 GMT
#54
On July 31 2015 23:10 Mensol wrote:
VG please play good for once.

Why are you worried ? Don't you think that even in the worst possible shape VG will still be able to 15mins stomp this mockery which is Navi ? Dude you gotta believe in your convictions, stay strong.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 31 2015 14:51 GMT
#55
Gotta get my hype in for these games now as I'll be unlikely to post much from seattle.

Shame one of VG-Na`Vi goes home immediately. Also go empire upset LGD pls
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 31 2015 14:52 GMT
#56
On July 31 2015 23:51 Sn0_Man wrote:
Gotta get my hype in for these games now as I'll be unlikely to post much from seattle.

Shame one of VG-Na`Vi goes home immediately. Also go empire upset LGD pls

We in GD expect a video blog every day detailing your feelings on the event.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
July 31 2015 14:55 GMT
#57
wait is every single match going to be played on the big stage?

so IG vs. MVPH is at 1:30 AM eastern standard time?

hory shit
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-31 14:58:49
July 31 2015 14:58 GMT
#58
On July 31 2015 23:55 ref4 wrote:
wait is every single match going to be played on the big stage?

so IG vs. MVPH is at 1:30 AM eastern standard time?

hory shit

Seems that way LOL
everything is based on PDT though, 10:30PM is late but not a disaster
also stuff could go faster obviously
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elagrion
Profile Joined April 2010
Ukraine422 Posts
July 31 2015 15:06 GMT
#59
On July 31 2015 22:50 mutantmagnet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 21:55 elagrion wrote:
On July 31 2015 14:29 a-game wrote:
If I understand it correctly, MVP Phoenix chose to play vs. Newbee rather than MVP Hot6? What do you guys think about that. I find it kind of surprising. Sure it avoids organizational cannibalism but Hot6 went 2-12 in groups and seem to be the weaker opponent.

Well, in korean Starcraft: BroodWar it was usual to avoid team-kills (when 2 teammates are facing each other), and one of the reasons is that when you train very often with each other very weird mind-games and off-bit strategies starts to dominate, and in weird settings usually a weaker player could become favourite to win.

That being said, yes Dota is different, but still - they are Koreans.



It's cause they're Koreans and not because Hot Six consistently has beaten them in head to head....

Ok

Again.
Scrims together a lot -> weird stuff comes into play -> weaker team could easily be favourite to win. Whats wrong with that?
Everything is a remix.
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
July 31 2015 15:25 GMT
#60
On July 31 2015 23:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2015 23:55 ref4 wrote:
wait is every single match going to be played on the big stage?

so IG vs. MVPH is at 1:30 AM eastern standard time?

hory shit

Seems that way LOL
everything is based on PDT though, 10:30PM is late but not a disaster
also stuff could go faster obviously

On the footnote, it says "Each match will begin after the previous one concludes."

The last match could be played earlier or later depending on how long the previous ones took. I feel bad for iG & hot6. Not sure what time they are expected to be ready-to-go, in case all prior matches are 20-min stomps.... but they could potentially be waiting around for a long ass time.
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