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On February 02 2015 14:28 braincandy wrote:
Secret is just a better team right now because of their players. if you think about the shuffle, Secret benefits better than EG coz they got 2 experienced players and teammate at the same time. you cannot say the same thing with EG. hopefully they become great rival in the future and give us great games. EG fighting.
In the long run though I think having Sumail on EG is great. Being around a talented group of veterans can only be good for him.
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what the hell are they talking bout!?!?
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William "Blitz" Lee the Immortal
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On February 02 2015 14:27 rebdomine wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 14:24 goody153 wrote:On February 02 2015 14:23 ncsix wrote:On February 02 2015 14:19 beifru wrote:On February 02 2015 14:17 ncsix wrote:On February 02 2015 14:11 beifru wrote:On February 02 2015 14:10 goody153 wrote:On February 02 2015 14:09 beifru wrote:On February 02 2015 14:05 goody153 wrote:On February 02 2015 14:03 beifru wrote:
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Not Bulldog now... Bulldog at TI3.
I'm quite sure people forgot how freakishly good he was at the offlane back in that meta. he was great on farming offlane .. he was an ok offlaner outside that Which seems to be the case for Zai as well. Beyond that Puck game that everyone was owning, Zai has not played an initiator. Which is also why I compared Zai to Bulldog instead of iceiceice/universe. well the games so far did not require him to play spacecreator since they have s4 and kky for that ... who is doing a damn well good job That is one way to look at it. But I suspect its not as simple as that. Puppey is a smart guy, he knows how to draft in such a way as to cover his team's weakness. There must be a reason why Zai has mostly been playing tanky offlaners. Edit: maybe i'm wrong, but we'll have to see in the playoffs. yo.. if using a 10 sec charge BKB to try mow down WD, CM, have QoP hands full and diving the base while Arteezy gets a tower isn't space creation what is. Teams have got to ban this hero out, its preferable to play against offlane Axe then BB especially if they pick wisp. Its called feeding if you have a dominating streak XD Honestly, the only reason why BB is back stronger than ever is because his nemesis Doom is out of the meta. The Chinese back at TI4 destroyed BBs with Doom. Yeah, VG did try playing with a core black doom against (can't remember whom), with a BB in their line-up. Getting up to Aghs doom takes too long though, not sure it will suffice against a team like Secret.. think an outright ban here is the way to go, unless there are hero combinations that will destroy BB .. I cant think of any. mass disable or silencer pick should work against BB ... also doom is kinda ok against BB maybe ? Silences actually work well. BB thrives off of getting into the thick of things and getting multiple quill sprays off on his opponents. If he can't do that, you can ignore him and leave him for last.
Actually what do you guys think of Manta Style on BB>? Added movespeed from Yasha, able to disjoint, dispel buffs and the best part - tanky illusions also provide quill spray stacks! Might be even more utility than SNY.
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On February 02 2015 14:34 ncsix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 14:27 rebdomine wrote:On February 02 2015 14:24 goody153 wrote:On February 02 2015 14:23 ncsix wrote:On February 02 2015 14:19 beifru wrote:On February 02 2015 14:17 ncsix wrote:On February 02 2015 14:11 beifru wrote:On February 02 2015 14:10 goody153 wrote:On February 02 2015 14:09 beifru wrote:On February 02 2015 14:05 goody153 wrote:
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he was great on farming offlane .. he was an ok offlaner outside that Which seems to be the case for Zai as well. Beyond that Puck game that everyone was owning, Zai has not played an initiator. Which is also why I compared Zai to Bulldog instead of iceiceice/universe. well the games so far did not require him to play spacecreator since they have s4 and kky for that ... who is doing a damn well good job That is one way to look at it. But I suspect its not as simple as that. Puppey is a smart guy, he knows how to draft in such a way as to cover his team's weakness. There must be a reason why Zai has mostly been playing tanky offlaners. Edit: maybe i'm wrong, but we'll have to see in the playoffs. yo.. if using a 10 sec charge BKB to try mow down WD, CM, have QoP hands full and diving the base while Arteezy gets a tower isn't space creation what is. Teams have got to ban this hero out, its preferable to play against offlane Axe then BB especially if they pick wisp. Its called feeding if you have a dominating streak XD Honestly, the only reason why BB is back stronger than ever is because his nemesis Doom is out of the meta. The Chinese back at TI4 destroyed BBs with Doom. Yeah, VG did try playing with a core black doom against (can't remember whom), with a BB in their line-up. Getting up to Aghs doom takes too long though, not sure it will suffice against a team like Secret.. think an outright ban here is the way to go, unless there are hero combinations that will destroy BB .. I cant think of any. mass disable or silencer pick should work against BB ... also doom is kinda ok against BB maybe ? Silences actually work well. BB thrives off of getting into the thick of things and getting multiple quill sprays off on his opponents. If he can't do that, you can ignore him and leave him for last. Actually what do you guys think of Manta Style on BB>? Added movespeed from Yasha, able to disjoint, dispel buffs and the best part - tanky illusions also provide quill spray stacks! Might be even more utility than SNY.
SNY is great if you get it at a good timing, when you're a monster who can run at anyone and maim them to death with your 16% added ms. disassembling into manta sounds like an ok situational transition when the midgame cools down and you know the next engage will be a big one where you'll likely be cc'd
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On February 02 2015 14:34 ncsix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 14:27 rebdomine wrote:On February 02 2015 14:24 goody153 wrote:On February 02 2015 14:23 ncsix wrote:On February 02 2015 14:19 beifru wrote:On February 02 2015 14:17 ncsix wrote:On February 02 2015 14:11 beifru wrote:On February 02 2015 14:10 goody153 wrote:On February 02 2015 14:09 beifru wrote:On February 02 2015 14:05 goody153 wrote:
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he was great on farming offlane .. he was an ok offlaner outside that Which seems to be the case for Zai as well. Beyond that Puck game that everyone was owning, Zai has not played an initiator. Which is also why I compared Zai to Bulldog instead of iceiceice/universe. well the games so far did not require him to play spacecreator since they have s4 and kky for that ... who is doing a damn well good job That is one way to look at it. But I suspect its not as simple as that. Puppey is a smart guy, he knows how to draft in such a way as to cover his team's weakness. There must be a reason why Zai has mostly been playing tanky offlaners. Edit: maybe i'm wrong, but we'll have to see in the playoffs. yo.. if using a 10 sec charge BKB to try mow down WD, CM, have QoP hands full and diving the base while Arteezy gets a tower isn't space creation what is. Teams have got to ban this hero out, its preferable to play against offlane Axe then BB especially if they pick wisp. Its called feeding if you have a dominating streak XD Honestly, the only reason why BB is back stronger than ever is because his nemesis Doom is out of the meta. The Chinese back at TI4 destroyed BBs with Doom. Yeah, VG did try playing with a core black doom against (can't remember whom), with a BB in their line-up. Getting up to Aghs doom takes too long though, not sure it will suffice against a team like Secret.. think an outright ban here is the way to go, unless there are hero combinations that will destroy BB .. I cant think of any. mass disable or silencer pick should work against BB ... also doom is kinda ok against BB maybe ? Silences actually work well. BB thrives off of getting into the thick of things and getting multiple quill sprays off on his opponents. If he can't do that, you can ignore him and leave him for last. Actually what do you guys think of Manta Style on BB>? Added movespeed from Yasha, able to disjoint, dispel buffs and the best part - tanky illusions also provide quill spray stacks! Might be even more utility than SNY.
my knee-jerk reaction is "hahahahahaha no"
but i honestly can't find a major problem with it as a slightly more defensive and utility-oriented alternative to SNY.
i still don't like it, but it's worth some experimentation.
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They really need to stop putting the best games of each heat on BTS2.
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Why is VG vs BG not on the main stream?
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On February 02 2015 14:36 Nocticate wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 14:34 ncsix wrote:On February 02 2015 14:27 rebdomine wrote:On February 02 2015 14:24 goody153 wrote:On February 02 2015 14:23 ncsix wrote:On February 02 2015 14:19 beifru wrote:On February 02 2015 14:17 ncsix wrote:On February 02 2015 14:11 beifru wrote:On February 02 2015 14:10 goody153 wrote:On February 02 2015 14:09 beifru wrote:
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Which seems to be the case for Zai as well.
Beyond that Puck game that everyone was owning, Zai has not played an initiator. Which is also why I compared Zai to Bulldog instead of iceiceice/universe. well the games so far did not require him to play spacecreator since they have s4 and kky for that ... who is doing a damn well good job That is one way to look at it. But I suspect its not as simple as that. Puppey is a smart guy, he knows how to draft in such a way as to cover his team's weakness. There must be a reason why Zai has mostly been playing tanky offlaners. Edit: maybe i'm wrong, but we'll have to see in the playoffs. yo.. if using a 10 sec charge BKB to try mow down WD, CM, have QoP hands full and diving the base while Arteezy gets a tower isn't space creation what is. Teams have got to ban this hero out, its preferable to play against offlane Axe then BB especially if they pick wisp. Its called feeding if you have a dominating streak XD Honestly, the only reason why BB is back stronger than ever is because his nemesis Doom is out of the meta. The Chinese back at TI4 destroyed BBs with Doom. Yeah, VG did try playing with a core black doom against (can't remember whom), with a BB in their line-up. Getting up to Aghs doom takes too long though, not sure it will suffice against a team like Secret.. think an outright ban here is the way to go, unless there are hero combinations that will destroy BB .. I cant think of any. mass disable or silencer pick should work against BB ... also doom is kinda ok against BB maybe ? Silences actually work well. BB thrives off of getting into the thick of things and getting multiple quill sprays off on his opponents. If he can't do that, you can ignore him and leave him for last. Actually what do you guys think of Manta Style on BB>? Added movespeed from Yasha, able to disjoint, dispel buffs and the best part - tanky illusions also provide quill spray stacks! Might be even more utility than SNY. my knee-jerk reaction is "hahahahahaha no" but i honestly can't find a major problem with it as a slightly more defensive and utility-oriented alternative to SNY. i still don't like it, but it's worth some experimentation.
mm.. going try that more often SNY -> Manta + Halberd,
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On February 02 2015 14:41 ncsix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 14:36 Nocticate wrote:On February 02 2015 14:34 ncsix wrote:On February 02 2015 14:27 rebdomine wrote:On February 02 2015 14:24 goody153 wrote:On February 02 2015 14:23 ncsix wrote:On February 02 2015 14:19 beifru wrote:On February 02 2015 14:17 ncsix wrote:On February 02 2015 14:11 beifru wrote:On February 02 2015 14:10 goody153 wrote:
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well the games so far did not require him to play spacecreator since they have s4 and kky for that ... who is doing a damn well good job That is one way to look at it. But I suspect its not as simple as that. Puppey is a smart guy, he knows how to draft in such a way as to cover his team's weakness. There must be a reason why Zai has mostly been playing tanky offlaners. Edit: maybe i'm wrong, but we'll have to see in the playoffs. yo.. if using a 10 sec charge BKB to try mow down WD, CM, have QoP hands full and diving the base while Arteezy gets a tower isn't space creation what is. Teams have got to ban this hero out, its preferable to play against offlane Axe then BB especially if they pick wisp. Its called feeding if you have a dominating streak XD Honestly, the only reason why BB is back stronger than ever is because his nemesis Doom is out of the meta. The Chinese back at TI4 destroyed BBs with Doom. Yeah, VG did try playing with a core black doom against (can't remember whom), with a BB in their line-up. Getting up to Aghs doom takes too long though, not sure it will suffice against a team like Secret.. think an outright ban here is the way to go, unless there are hero combinations that will destroy BB .. I cant think of any. mass disable or silencer pick should work against BB ... also doom is kinda ok against BB maybe ? Silences actually work well. BB thrives off of getting into the thick of things and getting multiple quill sprays off on his opponents. If he can't do that, you can ignore him and leave him for last. Actually what do you guys think of Manta Style on BB>? Added movespeed from Yasha, able to disjoint, dispel buffs and the best part - tanky illusions also provide quill spray stacks! Might be even more utility than SNY. my knee-jerk reaction is "hahahahahaha no" but i honestly can't find a major problem with it as a slightly more defensive and utility-oriented alternative to SNY. i still don't like it, but it's worth some experimentation. mm.. going try that more often SNY -> Manta + Halberd,
this might be the situation where I would consider getting Manta. But getting SNY on a strong timing kind of usually leads to a won game anyway. But in the event where it goes late, it's something to consider but it is of course very situational
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On February 02 2015 14:41 ncsix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 14:36 Nocticate wrote:On February 02 2015 14:34 ncsix wrote:On February 02 2015 14:27 rebdomine wrote:On February 02 2015 14:24 goody153 wrote:On February 02 2015 14:23 ncsix wrote:On February 02 2015 14:19 beifru wrote:On February 02 2015 14:17 ncsix wrote:On February 02 2015 14:11 beifru wrote:On February 02 2015 14:10 goody153 wrote:
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well the games so far did not require him to play spacecreator since they have s4 and kky for that ... who is doing a damn well good job That is one way to look at it. But I suspect its not as simple as that. Puppey is a smart guy, he knows how to draft in such a way as to cover his team's weakness. There must be a reason why Zai has mostly been playing tanky offlaners. Edit: maybe i'm wrong, but we'll have to see in the playoffs. yo.. if using a 10 sec charge BKB to try mow down WD, CM, have QoP hands full and diving the base while Arteezy gets a tower isn't space creation what is. Teams have got to ban this hero out, its preferable to play against offlane Axe then BB especially if they pick wisp. Its called feeding if you have a dominating streak XD Honestly, the only reason why BB is back stronger than ever is because his nemesis Doom is out of the meta. The Chinese back at TI4 destroyed BBs with Doom. Yeah, VG did try playing with a core black doom against (can't remember whom), with a BB in their line-up. Getting up to Aghs doom takes too long though, not sure it will suffice against a team like Secret.. think an outright ban here is the way to go, unless there are hero combinations that will destroy BB .. I cant think of any. mass disable or silencer pick should work against BB ... also doom is kinda ok against BB maybe ? Silences actually work well. BB thrives off of getting into the thick of things and getting multiple quill sprays off on his opponents. If he can't do that, you can ignore him and leave him for last. Actually what do you guys think of Manta Style on BB>? Added movespeed from Yasha, able to disjoint, dispel buffs and the best part - tanky illusions also provide quill spray stacks! Might be even more utility than SNY. my knee-jerk reaction is "hahahahahaha no" but i honestly can't find a major problem with it as a slightly more defensive and utility-oriented alternative to SNY. i still don't like it, but it's worth some experimentation. mm.. going try that more often SNY -> Manta + Halberd,
maybe not manta .. just leave it to casual yasha .. i think manta is not always good on bb
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On February 02 2015 14:38 poorcloud wrote:
Why is VG vs BG not on the main stream?
BTS2 has been getting too many scraps. Show KOTLguy some more love than LD is giving him.
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On February 02 2015 14:43 mutantmagnet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 14:38 poorcloud wrote:
Why is VG vs BG not on the main stream? BTS2 has been getting too many scraps. Show KOTLguy some more love than LD is giving him.
he's paired with maut though .. Maut says a lot of random stuff.
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Has anyone done the math on whether or not EHOME can advance at this point?
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Of course they can
Top 8 is harder but mathematically possible.
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Yeah, Na'Vi should stick to keeping Funn1k in the safe lane :p
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On February 02 2015 14:45 Omigawa wrote:
Has anyone done the math on whether or not EHOME can advance at this point?
If they win both their remaining games against rave and mvp they're in.
If they lose against rave, they'll be out if HGT win 2 of their games, unless CDEC lose to newbee.
If they lose both games then they can still advance if HGT and Tongfu lose all 3 of their remaining matches.
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EPT
