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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
October 08 2014 22:16 GMT
#61
2 ez for eg.

i think they have the easier side of the bracket than secret does. going up against (in all likelihood) Vici is gonna be rough. looking forward to attending on friday ^^
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
October 09 2014 04:45 GMT
#62
Going to NYC tomorrow, see whoever is there! GO SNA! One can dream.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 09 2014 06:30 GMT
#63
On October 09 2014 07:16 BluemoonSC wrote:
2 ez for eg.

i think they have the easier side of the bracket than secret does. going up against (in all likelihood) Vici is gonna be rough. looking forward to attending on friday ^^

Really? Upper Bracket seems a lot more stacked. EG, C9 and Alliance actually have a results in this patch.

Lower Bracket is just VG. Team Secret is purely hype right now, and only from EU group stage results.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
October 09 2014 08:07 GMT
#64
To me most quarterfinals feel fairly onesided looking at the last month. EG's gonna take it. Excited for Black vs Kuro in semis.
Kirsed
Profile Joined May 2013
9380 Posts
October 09 2014 08:25 GMT
#65
So I wrote a bunch of crap about how I thought the games were going to go. While I was spewing all my crap I realized I think Alliance is probably a lot stronger with H4nn1 am I thinking straight?
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-09 09:37:05
October 09 2014 09:35 GMT
#66
On October 09 2014 15:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 07:16 BluemoonSC wrote:
2 ez for eg.

i think they have the easier side of the bracket than secret does. going up against (in all likelihood) Vici is gonna be rough. looking forward to attending on friday ^^

Really? Upper Bracket seems a lot more stacked. EG, C9 and Alliance actually have a results in this patch.

Lower Bracket is just VG. Team Secret is purely hype right now, and only from EU group stage results.

Purely hype, but still the most dominating european team (online right, but still).
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-09 10:44:14
October 09 2014 10:42 GMT
#67
I don't think it's clear which side of the bracket is strongest. Depends on how well different teams have recovered from their China trip, what sort of a c9 shows up this time, how Alliance performs with a standin, and how strong Secret actually is on LAN. I think it's pretty much a given that Secret will be a very good team, but whether they'll be dominant and contenders to win every event or just around the same level as some other good western teams remains to be seen.

Although all 4 quarter finals have a clear favorite, it will be interesting to see if someone can make an upset or at least provide a good fight. The format of the event and the fact that the patch is new and teams have had limited practice time on it improves the chance of some favorite dropping out first round. You only need to be make some mistake at a crucial moment and a game might snowball out of hand, or you get surprised in the draft, and suddenly you might be facing elimination.
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-09 11:06:14
October 09 2014 11:06 GMT
#68
On October 09 2014 18:35 Gevna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 15:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On October 09 2014 07:16 BluemoonSC wrote:
2 ez for eg.

i think they have the easier side of the bracket than secret does. going up against (in all likelihood) Vici is gonna be rough. looking forward to attending on friday ^^

Really? Upper Bracket seems a lot more stacked. EG, C9 and Alliance actually have a results in this patch.

Lower Bracket is just VG. Team Secret is purely hype right now, and only from EU group stage results.

Purely hype, but still the most dominating european team (online right, but still).


C9 is easily the most dominating EU team. They won nvidia's event (beating EG in bo5) and got 2nd in two chinese LANs. Secret is only dominating if you literally only care about win percent.
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
October 09 2014 11:13 GMT
#69
On October 09 2014 20:06 lolnoty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 18:35 Gevna wrote:
On October 09 2014 15:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On October 09 2014 07:16 BluemoonSC wrote:
2 ez for eg.

i think they have the easier side of the bracket than secret does. going up against (in all likelihood) Vici is gonna be rough. looking forward to attending on friday ^^

Really? Upper Bracket seems a lot more stacked. EG, C9 and Alliance actually have a results in this patch.

Lower Bracket is just VG. Team Secret is purely hype right now, and only from EU group stage results.

Purely hype, but still the most dominating european team (online right, but still).


C9 is easily the most dominating EU team. They won nvidia's event (beating EG in bo5) and got 2nd in two chinese LANs. Secret is only dominating if you literally only care about win percent.


I think it's pretty hard to position Secret properly as of now. They've only really played SL and ESL quals. Of course they had convincing wins over teams like c9 and TT in SL, but those were bo1 and sometimes stuff happens in the draft or a game that can make a game look very onesided and it doesn't necessarily mean that the winning team is consistently superior. There's simply not much worthwhile data to say they are definitely better or worse than c9 for example.
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-09 11:24:24
October 09 2014 11:19 GMT
#70
On October 09 2014 20:13 spudde123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 20:06 lolnoty wrote:
On October 09 2014 18:35 Gevna wrote:
On October 09 2014 15:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On October 09 2014 07:16 BluemoonSC wrote:
2 ez for eg.

i think they have the easier side of the bracket than secret does. going up against (in all likelihood) Vici is gonna be rough. looking forward to attending on friday ^^

Really? Upper Bracket seems a lot more stacked. EG, C9 and Alliance actually have a results in this patch.

Lower Bracket is just VG. Team Secret is purely hype right now, and only from EU group stage results.

Purely hype, but still the most dominating european team (online right, but still).


C9 is easily the most dominating EU team. They won nvidia's event (beating EG in bo5) and got 2nd in two chinese LANs. Secret is only dominating if you literally only care about win percent.


I think it's pretty hard to position Secret properly as of now. They've only really played SL and ESL quals. Of course they had convincing wins over teams like c9 and TT in SL, but those were bo1 and sometimes stuff happens in the draft or a game that can make a game look very onesided and it doesn't necessarily mean that the winning team is consistently superior. There's simply not much worthwhile data to say they are definitely better or worse than c9 for example.

The thing is, teams get rated higher the more convincing wins they get. TS has had no convincing wins while C9 has had a LOT. TS shouldn't be on anyone's "strongest team" radar until they actually play bo3's against strong teams in tournaments. I actually am a fan of all of TS's roster, but just don't understand how people can rate a team highly when they've essentially just won some bo1's against only a few good teams in online qualifiers.

LiquidDota's article did well to put TS behind C9, but I'd put TS 4th strongest behind VG too. A lot of potential with essentially no convincing results.
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
October 09 2014 11:34 GMT
#71
On October 09 2014 20:19 lolnoty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 20:13 spudde123 wrote:
On October 09 2014 20:06 lolnoty wrote:
On October 09 2014 18:35 Gevna wrote:
On October 09 2014 15:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On October 09 2014 07:16 BluemoonSC wrote:
2 ez for eg.

i think they have the easier side of the bracket than secret does. going up against (in all likelihood) Vici is gonna be rough. looking forward to attending on friday ^^

Really? Upper Bracket seems a lot more stacked. EG, C9 and Alliance actually have a results in this patch.

Lower Bracket is just VG. Team Secret is purely hype right now, and only from EU group stage results.

Purely hype, but still the most dominating european team (online right, but still).


C9 is easily the most dominating EU team. They won nvidia's event (beating EG in bo5) and got 2nd in two chinese LANs. Secret is only dominating if you literally only care about win percent.


I think it's pretty hard to position Secret properly as of now. They've only really played SL and ESL quals. Of course they had convincing wins over teams like c9 and TT in SL, but those were bo1 and sometimes stuff happens in the draft or a game that can make a game look very onesided and it doesn't necessarily mean that the winning team is consistently superior. There's simply not much worthwhile data to say they are definitely better or worse than c9 for example.

The thing is, teams get rated higher the more convincing wins they get. TS has had no convincing wins while C9 has had a LOT. TS shouldn't be on anyone's "strongest team" radar until they actually play bo3's against strong teams in tournaments. I actually am a fan of all of TS's roster, but just don't understand how people can rate a team highly when they've essentially just won some bo1's against only a few good teams in online qualifiers.


Well imo they can be up there when you consider the strongest teams just because the uncertainty is still so large. I agree that one can't really make the case that they are definitely a title contender, but it's hard to say that they aren't close to that either at this point.

Secret has performed well online this far, but it also sort of makes sense that they would. They are a new team, people are playing new roles, and haven't yet been to LAN together. This all imo makes it easier for them also to concentrate properly to online games, whereas teams like c9 are known for their inconsistency especially online, and even EG has had some pretty questionable games online.

Some people also might have actually watched and analyzed Secret's games to have a proper opinion about their performance results aside. Personally I haven't really watched their games that closely, so it's pretty hard to predict how well they'll actually do.
SatsuinoHado
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria777 Posts
October 09 2014 14:04 GMT
#72
The only thing I can say about Team Secret is that even pro's were convinced that they will be top contenders as soon as they formed and some of them did not have the same faith in TT
People call me Jack, OMASJack
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
October 09 2014 14:06 GMT
#73
On October 09 2014 13:45 the bear jew wrote:
Going to NYC tomorrow, see whoever is there! GO SNA! One can dream.

So jelly. Very jelly.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
October 09 2014 14:12 GMT
#74
On October 09 2014 15:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 07:16 BluemoonSC wrote:
2 ez for eg.

i think they have the easier side of the bracket than secret does. going up against (in all likelihood) Vici is gonna be rough. looking forward to attending on friday ^^

Really? Upper Bracket seems a lot more stacked. EG, C9 and Alliance actually have a results in this patch.

Lower Bracket is just VG. Team Secret is purely hype right now, and only from EU group stage results.


I think C9 is good, but not on EG's level. assuming both teams don't choke in the quarters since its single elim XD
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
TheRubicon
Profile Joined February 2013
United States1342 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-09 14:14:37
October 09 2014 14:14 GMT
#75
On October 09 2014 17:25 kirsed wrote:
So I wrote a bunch of crap about how I thought the games were going to go. While I was spewing all my crap I realized I think Alliance is probably a lot stronger with H4nn1 am I thinking straight?

definately, no hate on chessie but he doesnt have years of TI experience.

edit: GIVE STREAM!!
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
October 09 2014 14:19 GMT
#76
HYPEEEEE

VG will destroy NaVi so hard.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
October 09 2014 14:30 GMT
#77
Wow pregame show started exactly on time, promising.
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-09 14:32:15
October 09 2014 14:31 GMT
#78
pyrion definitely reinforcing stereotypes of brits with this outfit
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
October 09 2014 14:33 GMT
#79
On October 09 2014 23:31 lolnoty wrote:
pyrion definitely reinforcing stereotypes of brits with this outfit


Literally Sherlock Holmes.
Steam: rook492
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 09 2014 14:34 GMT
#80
Maelk predicting alliance win like he doesn't legally own the organization or something lel.
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