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On October 04 2014 19:03 kirsed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 18:59 goody153 wrote:On October 04 2014 18:57 broodbucket wrote:On October 04 2014 18:56 Mensol wrote:
They should kick Black^ and get a Chinese carry. Black is fine, they're getting outdrafted game after game they outdrafted C9 game 2 It wasn't an out draft it was suddenly losing all semblance of coordination and executing a fight horrendously.
idk that looked like an outrdraft to me .. C9 always have been very greedy on drafts
That was not a typical C9 draft that was normal game draft not to mention they have to resort to razor instead of naga(which was what EE probably wanted)
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But seriously stop picking FV. He was never ever a hero that deserves a top pick. Game would have been so different in ice was on Bat.
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On October 04 2014 19:01 lolnoty wrote:
idk why people are even talking about black in regards to that loss, he's like 15 steps removed from why they lost
He played carry, but didn't carry. Must be doing something awfully wrong, amirite?!
Ice^3 plays void like bat. Why not pick it?
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On October 04 2014 19:05 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 19:01 evanthebouncy! wrote:On October 04 2014 18:59 Entropic wrote:
Ban Lich instead of Naga... I don't even
Also I don't see how it was Black's fault VG lost this series at all. black was on point. ice3 was off I think, he didn't win the lane vs panda and this caused the supports to rotate to help, which left super weak. VG had a great tri-core lineup with razor/void/OD and in the end only OD is of any relevance You can't really win FV vs Panda, because Panda is just better. You can however focus on getting CS instead of roaming cluelessly. I don't think the aggro tri decision was wise. C9 had a good defensive tri, and they were able to pull. They also had a Brew backup, so once level 6 Vici just cannot stay in that lane anymore. I think they should have sacrificed iceiceice at top, get good farm on OD + Razor, and just push down towers from there.
Razor aggro tri lanes just suck most of the time imo. Basically wasting Razor's ability to win pretty much any lane solo.
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On October 04 2014 19:01 evanthebouncy! wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 18:59 Entropic wrote:
Ban Lich instead of Naga... I don't even
Also I don't see how it was Black's fault VG lost this series at all. black was on point. ice3 was off I think, he didn't win the lane vs panda and this caused the supports to rotate to help, which left super weak. VG had a great tri-core lineup with razor/void/OD and in the end only OD is of any relevance VG lined up black's sheep, super's bkb and geared up for a push bot lane but ice3 was too quick on the finger and chrono Fata. That was supposed to be the fight that turns the game, but it ended 0-4 disaster. Meh ice3 so frustrating
Black wasn't on point at all.
Iceiceice blew his chrono on Nyx without getting a kill because Black hesitated and then failed to astral when Nyx carapaced. This lead to VG's top lane getting wrecked without chrono support. Black went sheep immediately after force instead of BKB which mean that one Nyx burn dropped him to half hp. And don't remind me how few Black actually used because he got stunned before cast.
Sure, Iceiceice played awful but the fails were strong with all of the VG players (not so much Fy/Fenrir except for their wasteful roams).
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On October 04 2014 19:06 beifru wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 19:01 lolnoty wrote:
idk why people are even talking about black in regards to that loss, he's like 15 steps removed from why they lost He is Mason at best, Sneyking at worst. Could be miscommunication but he seem to suck at knowing when to join the team for fights. He either goes all out fights or all out farming. He needs a more measured approach to the game.
I am not saying black is a golden god. I am saying he was not the person to blame for the loss like everyone was posting about right afterword.
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On October 04 2014 19:09 gLhF.Revere wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 19:01 evanthebouncy! wrote:On October 04 2014 18:59 Entropic wrote:
Ban Lich instead of Naga... I don't even
Also I don't see how it was Black's fault VG lost this series at all. black was on point. ice3 was off I think, he didn't win the lane vs panda and this caused the supports to rotate to help, which left super weak. VG had a great tri-core lineup with razor/void/OD and in the end only OD is of any relevance VG lined up black's sheep, super's bkb and geared up for a push bot lane but ice3 was too quick on the finger and chrono Fata. That was supposed to be the fight that turns the game, but it ended 0-4 disaster. Meh ice3 so frustrating Black wasn't on point at all. Iceiceice blew his chrono on Nyx without getting a kill because Black hesitated and then failed to astral when Nyx carapaced. This lead to VG's top lane getting wrecked without chrono support. Black went sheep immediately after force instead of BKB which mean that one Nyx burn dropped him to half hp. And don't remind me how few Black actually used because he got stunned before cast. Sure, Iceiceice played awful but the fails were strong with all of the VG players (not so much Fy/Fenrir except for their wasteful roams).
Everyone on VG pretty much played bad and the team as a whole played bad
Therefore kick black (not saying you are saying that but a lot of people seem to think so).
For the next couple of series
Cloud9 >>> Alliance
Newbee >>> Cloud9
IMO
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On October 04 2014 19:03 eekmice wrote:
I don't think DP is gonna be a top pick anymore just b/c it seems like a lot of teams are prioritizing armor a LOT early. Vlads and AC/Shivas are pretty much the first big items. I still think razor is very strong though.
Agree. People have been doing that even pre 6.82, EG have been picking Sven for warcry against her even. With the 6.82 nerfs and people knowing how to play properly against her, she's definitely gonna fall way down from being a first pick/ban.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait. Could they have gotten Synderen to cast last match?
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On October 04 2014 19:12 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 19:03 eekmice wrote:
I don't think DP is gonna be a top pick anymore just b/c it seems like a lot of teams are prioritizing armor a LOT early. Vlads and AC/Shivas are pretty much the first big items. I still think razor is very strong though. Agree. People have been doing that even pre 6.82, EG have been picking Sven for warcry against her even. With the 6.82 nerfs and people knowing how to play properly against her, she's definitely gonna fall way down from being a first pick/ban.
I don't know why no one else has adopted the mass armor strat EG brought out just before 6.82. I think it just trumps DP. Pick tanky cores with 1 or 2 good initiators like Panda that naturally build armor, boom dead useless DP. DP and Void are not 1st pick material anymore imo.
Razor still OP
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Synderen casting next series <3 (with basskip)
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On October 04 2014 19:13 Unattended Cake wrote:
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Could they have gotten Synderen to cast last match?
They did.
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more importantly grudgematch incoming !!!
Poll: Grudgematch [A] vs C9C9 will win obviously to get 2nd place. (10) 59% Of course C9 loses . tradition dude tradition. (7) 41% 17 total votes Your vote: Grudgematch [A] vs C9 (Vote): C9 will win obviously to get 2nd place.
(Vote): Of course C9 loses . tradition dude tradition.
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ban stage for the next match will be weird. both teams love illusions and panda.
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325K USD 1st prize assuming it gets paid out -_-
C9 will get 2nd this tournament, C9 boys forever 2nd
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On October 04 2014 19:17 lolnoty wrote:
ban stage for the next match will be weird. both teams love illusions and panda.
first pick TB and naga 
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On October 04 2014 19:14 kirsed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 19:13 Unattended Cake wrote:
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Could they have gotten Synderen to cast last match? They did.
Oh, I phrased that strangely, but oh well. I'm glad for the change-up.
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Terror Blade pick plx.
Naga vs Terror PLX.
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Is it going to start soon?
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On October 04 2014 19:21 Mensol wrote:
Terror Blade pick plx.
Naga vs Terror PLX.
Settle the debate once and for all?
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EPT
