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Alliance vs Cloud 9 game 3 is being played on LAN. As such only the Chinese broadcasters at the event can stream the games. BTS and Starladder has chosen to stop streaming as they could not get the Chinese stream to work smoothly.

Chinese stream: http://www.liquiddota.com/stream/9704
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
October 04 2014 09:59 GMT
#921
Ban Lich instead of Naga... I don't even

Also I don't see how it was Black's fault VG lost this series at all.
shouldbeworking
Profile Joined October 2014
946 Posts
October 04 2014 09:59 GMT
#922
On October 04 2014 18:57 gLhF.Revere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 18:56 Nymzee wrote:
VG suck vs western teams it seems but destroy chinese teams

maybe it's a practice thing? maybe west is ahead of meta? who knows

West ahead of the meta? If that's the case, Newbee wouldn't have dispatched both C9 and Alliance. Ironically, Newbee drops games against iG and VG consistently.


Its some rock paper scissors type shit lol. VG>NB>C9,[A]>VG
Nymzee
Profile Joined June 2013
3929 Posts
October 04 2014 09:59 GMT
#923
VG place ridiculous value on lich

HE'S A SUPPORT THAT ONLY YOU PICK VG, STOP BANNING/PICKING IT

holy shit lol

also, c9 v alliance will be funny to watch. chessie can only play viper/brew, so fata plays brew and they ban viper. now chessie is fucked lol
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
October 04 2014 09:59 GMT
#924
On October 04 2014 18:57 Zea! wrote:
VG drafts are shit


it's alright. It's just fata played a lot better than 3ice that game.
They were dominating a lot of lanes, only fata was able to salvage it. If ice3 is on par of farm as fata, c9 is doomed.

OD basically 1 shot all illusions and you just have a naked naga which isn't scary at all. Ice3 was underperforming
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44079 Posts
October 04 2014 09:59 GMT
#925
On October 04 2014 18:57 broodbucket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 18:56 Mensol wrote:
They should kick Black^ and get a Chinese carry.

Black is fine, they're getting outdrafted game after game

they outdrafted C9 game 2

this is a quote
Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
October 04 2014 09:59 GMT
#926
Well people have to remember that apparently black and iceiceice are good friends, and neither are chinese so its not like hes the lone man out as far as that goes.
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
October 04 2014 09:59 GMT
#927
GG C9 , nice for once not to have the Naga cries , EE plays her very well , would be intersting to see the C9/[A] mind games.
last time they met C9 went for the Naga first game and won , and Alliance went for all in push on game 2...... lets see how it goes.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
October 04 2014 10:00 GMT
#928
On October 04 2014 18:58 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 18:57 DaMuffinman wrote:
On October 04 2014 18:55 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
gratz FATA, gratz Cloud9.

You're a tier 1 team now, gj.



So Top6 at TI isn't T1 or what?

Anything less than first = shit team.

I think it's self-evident that TI top4 = tier 1, 5-10 = tier2.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
October 04 2014 10:00 GMT
#929
Vici so bad.

1) Stop picking Void because it is a crap hero.
2) Bat is still a fucking broken hero.
3) DP + Razor cores is still good.
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
October 04 2014 10:00 GMT
#930
chance that VG ll find new carry is high imo
it not about Black have no skill but VG teamwork is not good(language?)
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 10:03:24
October 04 2014 10:01 GMT
#931
On October 04 2014 18:59 Entropic wrote:
Ban Lich instead of Naga... I don't even

Also I don't see how it was Black's fault VG lost this series at all.


black was on point.
ice3 was off I think, he didn't win the lane vs panda and this caused the supports to rotate to help, which left super weak.
VG had a great tri-core lineup with razor/void/OD and in the end only OD is of any relevance

VG lined up black's sheep, super's bkb and geared up for a push bot lane but ice3 was too quick on the finger and chrono Fata. That was supposed to be the fight that turns the game, but it ended 0-4 disaster. Meh ice3 so frustrating
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
October 04 2014 10:01 GMT
#932
I think VG struggles vs. the west mostly because Fy doesn't know how to adapt his draft against the individual teams yet. He's drafting career has spanned... a month?
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
October 04 2014 10:01 GMT
#933
idk why people are even talking about black in regards to that loss, he's like 15 steps removed from why they lost
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 04 2014 10:02 GMT
#934
On October 04 2014 19:01 lolnoty wrote:
idk why people are even talking about black in regards to that loss, he's like 15 steps removed from why they lost

Easy to blame.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
shouldbeworking
Profile Joined October 2014
946 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 10:03:35
October 04 2014 10:02 GMT
#935
On October 04 2014 18:57 Zea! wrote:
VG drafts are shit


Seriously. I know hindsite is 20/20 but agro tri on the Naga did literally nothing for them when Brew just got what he needed and ruined the whole mid game for them. They shouldn't have aggro tri, that did nothing for them.
Kirsed
Profile Joined May 2013
9380 Posts
October 04 2014 10:03 GMT
#936
On October 04 2014 18:59 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 18:57 broodbucket wrote:
On October 04 2014 18:56 Mensol wrote:
They should kick Black^ and get a Chinese carry.

Black is fine, they're getting outdrafted game after game

they outdrafted C9 game 2



It wasn't an out draft it was suddenly losing all semblance of coordination and executing a fight horrendously.
eekmice
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States373 Posts
October 04 2014 10:03 GMT
#937
I don't think DP is gonna be a top pick anymore just b/c it seems like a lot of teams are prioritizing armor a LOT early. Vlads and AC/Shivas are pretty much the first big items. I still think razor is very strong though.
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
October 04 2014 10:04 GMT
#938
On October 04 2014 18:59 shouldbeworking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 18:57 gLhF.Revere wrote:
On October 04 2014 18:56 Nymzee wrote:
VG suck vs western teams it seems but destroy chinese teams

maybe it's a practice thing? maybe west is ahead of meta? who knows

West ahead of the meta? If that's the case, Newbee wouldn't have dispatched both C9 and Alliance. Ironically, Newbee drops games against iG and VG consistently.


Its some rock paper scissors type shit lol. VG>NB>C9,[A]>VG


VG probably just needs to do more research and prepare better for the western teams. Hopefully they research the shit out of the teams that they will face at ESL New York next weekend.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
October 04 2014 10:05 GMT
#939
On October 04 2014 19:01 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 18:59 Entropic wrote:
Ban Lich instead of Naga... I don't even

Also I don't see how it was Black's fault VG lost this series at all.


black was on point.
ice3 was off I think, he didn't win the lane vs panda and this caused the supports to rotate to help, which left super weak.
VG had a great tri-core lineup with razor/void/OD and in the end only OD is of any relevance


You can't really win FV vs Panda, because Panda is just better. You can however focus on getting CS instead of roaming cluelessly.

I don't think the aggro tri decision was wise. C9 had a good defensive tri, and they were able to pull. They also had a Brew backup, so once level 6 Vici just cannot stay in that lane anymore. I think they should have sacrificed iceiceice at top, get good farm on OD + Razor, and just push down towers from there.
beifru
Profile Joined November 2013
2164 Posts
October 04 2014 10:06 GMT
#940
On October 04 2014 19:01 lolnoty wrote:
idk why people are even talking about black in regards to that loss, he's like 15 steps removed from why they lost


He is Mason at best, Sneyking at worst.

Could be miscommunication but he seem to suck at knowing when to join the team for fights. He either goes all out fights or all out farming. He needs a more measured approach to the game.
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