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hewley
Germany1063 Posts
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pedrlz
Brazil5234 Posts
how to play against tide 101 | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
On November 02 2014 04:32 giftdgecko wrote: Middle class Dota indeed on the bright side, at least there is a middle class rather than a small top tier and tons of scrub teams like it was not that long ago. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
He only made one big mistake (granted it was somewhat crucial) when he walked through the enemy team with Ravage on cooldown near the Dire Top T2. But that fight it really was a team error as they should have just bailed when EGM (or was it Bulba I can't remember) got picked off. Instead they hesitated deciding whether they were gonna go in or not and that turned their small lead into the 3 midas team's favor. Really was game from there. | ||
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
On November 02 2014 04:32 giftdgecko wrote: Middle class Dota indeed Yeah was thinking the same. | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
On November 02 2014 04:33 hewley wrote: Somehow Team Tinker reminds me of last year's Team Liquid. Be decent online and choke on LAN events. They also seem to lack the direction or leadership both in-game and draft like the last TL squad. Frustating way better than last year's liquid, at least they can qualify for tournaments. Granted, TT looks to be joining the long line of teams that do really well in group stage Bo1s then fall apart at Lans. | ||
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
On November 02 2014 04:34 pedrlz wrote: funn1k just rekted singsing all how to play against tide 101 FTFY | ||
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
On November 02 2014 04:33 hewley wrote: Somehow Team Tinker reminds me of last year's Team Liquid. Be decent online and choke on LAN events. They also seem to lack the direction or leadership both in-game and draft like the last TL squad. Frustating They aren't that hot online anymore. Honeymoon days are done. | ||
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
I mean dailymotion sucks, but I mean the on-site stuff and visualwork etc | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On November 02 2014 04:40 Gevna wrote: 840 gpm for Hvost while starting on the offlane quite badly. I really dont know why navi keep such a bad player. Of all the complaints leveled at XBOCT I don't believe his ability to farm is one of them. | ||
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1nobody
Czech Republic2040 Posts
On November 02 2014 04:40 Gevna wrote: 840 gpm for Hvost while starting on the offlane quite badly. I really dont know why navi keep such a bad player. well, its not like Funnik get them through midgame and supports and dendi stacked huge ancient stack. Edit: and how he had bad start on offlane? The start was bad, he was farming and TT had to rotate. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On November 02 2014 04:35 pdd wrote: Not sure why Sing is getting so much flak. Don't really know what you can do against a BKB Blink Doom determined to take out your Tide. Oh and Navi just were a lot better with their warding (all series long). He only made one big mistake (granted it was somewhat crucial) when he walked through the enemy team with Ravage on cooldown near the Dire Top T2. But that fight it really was a team error as they should have just bailed when EGM (or was it Bulba I can't remember) got picked off. Instead they hesitated deciding whether they were gonna go in or not and that turned their small lead into the 3 midas team's favor. Really was game from there. Well I think he should have shit on the Sven/Wisp lane more. Like really single handily destroy that lane, especially when he had early levels and farm in the mid lane. If it was iceiceice on Tide, the lane would have been crushed. That was my only issue with sing, because the rest of the faults were more of a team decision than his poor plays. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
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cuckoo
595 Posts
On November 02 2014 04:35 pdd wrote: Not sure why Sing is getting so much flak. Don't really know what you can do against a BKB Blink Doom determined to take out your Tide. Oh and Navi just were a lot better with their warding (all series long). He only made one big mistake (granted it was somewhat crucial) when he walked through the enemy team with Ravage on cooldown near the Dire Top T2. But that fight it really was a team error as they should have just bailed when EGM (or was it Bulba I can't remember) got picked off. Instead they hesitated deciding whether they were gonna go in or not and that turned their small lead into the 3 midas team's favor. Really was game from there. as i said, sing was gonna take the blame 'cause that's the trend right now. same way people say C9 is SOOOO much better without sing even though they haven't got any better results than last season and that was exactly the team fight that lost them the game | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On November 02 2014 04:43 FHDH wrote: Of all the complaints leveled at XBOCT I don't believe his ability to farm is one of them. certainly not with babysit io and a midas. The story of this game was funnikfunnikfunnik and certainly not xboct or dendi. | ||
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Procake
3803 Posts
On November 02 2014 05:22 cuckoo wrote: as i said, sing was gonna take the blame 'cause that's the trend right now. same way people say C9 is SOOOO much better without sing even though they haven't got any better results than last season and that was exactly the team fight that lost them the game Well I would say C9 are doing better now than they were last before TI4, 2nd at two Chinese LANs, actually won a tournament, although it was an online one, 3rd at Starladder with a stand-in. Old C9 bombed hard wehn they went to China, the best they did before was 2nd at Dreamhack. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On November 02 2014 05:42 Procake wrote: Well I would say C9 are doing better now than they were last before TI4, 2nd at two Chinese LANs, actually won a tournament, although it was an online one, 3rd at Starladder with a stand-in. Old C9 bombed hard wehn they went to China, the best they did before was 2nd at Dreamhack. I think moving Sing was necessary for the same reason that moving Puppey was the choice Na'Vi made. I don't think Envy was ever going to want him at that position the way XBOCT wasn't going to want Puppey/Kuroky around. Sing is such a mixed bag it's painful to talk about him. Because he is very talented and has a wide hero pool but as it stands you have to use him right or he can either be ineffective or actually a liability. And I like him a lot but the team has got to either use him better or let him go. I don't think he's happy right now because his role seems to keep sliding into areas where he's not comfortable. Also I think this just applies to TT in general. Like yes all of the players on the team can swap roles but I don't think this is good long-term. At some point you have to let your supports focus on their support game and your offlaner focus on his offlane game carry on his carry game and mid on his mid game. All of these role rotations seem to be based on hero preferences which don't appear to be working well in drafts anyway so start settling shit. The only thing I have seen consistently work on pro teams is the occasional swap of safelane carry and mid. | ||
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Procake
3803 Posts
On November 02 2014 05:54 FHDH wrote: I think moving Sing was necessary for the same reason that moving Puppey was the choice Na'Vi made. I don't think Envy was ever going to want him at that position the way XBOCT wasn't going to want Puppey/Kuroky around. Sing is such a mixed bag it's painful to talk about him. Because he is very talented and has a wide hero pool but as it stands you have to use him right or he can either be ineffective or actually a liability. And I like him a lot but the team has got to either use him better or let him go. I don't think he's happy right now because his role seems to keep sliding into areas where he's not comfortable. Also I think this just applies to TT in general. Like yes all of the players on the team can swap roles but I don't think this is good long-term. At some point you have to let your supports focus on their support game and your offlaner focus on his offlane game carry on his carry game and mid on his mid game. All of these role rotations seem to be based on hero preferences which don't appear to be working well in drafts anyway so start settling shit. The only thing I have seen consistently work on pro teams is the occasional swap of safelane carry and mid. I mean when SingSing was on C9 they would really draft around him it seems, they would always pick Mirana, Ember, TA, and then even Meepo too once he started playing that. He was always on something he was comfortable on and it made him shine. On TT now he is playing stuff like offlane Jakiro and Tide which is weird for him. I really think this mass role-swapping they do is stupid though. Simply put, the team that is more solidifed with their roles will probably do better than one that keeps switching them. You're right that for the most part the only switch I see work is the one where the carry and mid switch places depending on the heroes they pick. I feel ike TT draft like this: Put Qojqva and Pajkatt on something they play well and is planned, whatever is left over in the draft, put SingSing on that. | ||
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Galavnime
Barbados2 Posts
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