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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 21:47:41
November 01 2014 21:47 GMT
#1661
who could replace sing in play and fanbase that's available?
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
November 01 2014 21:50 GMT
#1662
if ur building ur team for fanbase uve got other issues

mag is actually an interesting option given the heroes theyve been sticking sing on
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 21:55:46
November 01 2014 21:55 GMT
#1663
On November 02 2014 06:47 trifecta wrote:
who could replace sing in play and fanbase that's available?

Maybe not as big a fanbase but H4nn1 is good and his team is failing pretty hard (despite him playing well), there are also other very promising players on lesser teams like matumbaman or Apemother when he stops playing for Alliance.

Good/promising mid players are probably not that hard to find, but getting one as tryhard as Sing is surely difficult.
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
November 01 2014 21:56 GMT
#1664
Maybe not as big a fanbase but H4nn1 is good and his team is failing pretty hard (despite him playing well)

But whose fault was it that Fnatic fell apart so hard in the first place? No one invited H4nni to go with them anywhere, that does seem to be the case.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
November 01 2014 22:01 GMT
#1665
On November 02 2014 06:50 Kraznaya wrote:
if ur building ur team for fanbase uve got other issues

mag is actually an interesting option given the heroes theyve been sticking sing on


fanbase is important for sponsorships and such? wtf happened to Era speaking of fnatic refugees?
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
November 01 2014 22:04 GMT
#1666
All that hate and he didnt harm anyone. You'll just jealous of his 7k mmr baby!!1
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Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
November 01 2014 22:05 GMT
#1667
On November 02 2014 06:56 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
Maybe not as big a fanbase but H4nn1 is good and his team is failing pretty hard (despite him playing well)

But whose fault was it that Fnatic fell apart so hard in the first place? No one invited H4nni to go with them anywhere, that does seem to be the case.

The only ones who could have told him to go with them were fly/N0tail and they formed a team with a better mid.
Era got kicked from Fnatic and Trixi went to form his own Finstack.

He stayed in Fnatic which formed its own team with promising players, that team is failing but I don't think it's H4nn1's fault.
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
November 01 2014 22:08 GMT
#1668
On November 02 2014 07:01 trifecta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 06:50 Kraznaya wrote:
if ur building ur team for fanbase uve got other issues

mag is actually an interesting option given the heroes theyve been sticking sing on


fanbase is important for sponsorships and such? wtf happened to Era speaking of fnatic refugees?

Era is on Lajons, a T2 Swedish team that made it into Synergy league playoffs and stuff.
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bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
November 01 2014 22:45 GMT
#1669
On November 02 2014 07:08 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 07:01 trifecta wrote:
On November 02 2014 06:50 Kraznaya wrote:
if ur building ur team for fanbase uve got other issues

mag is actually an interesting option given the heroes theyve been sticking sing on


fanbase is important for sponsorships and such? wtf happened to Era speaking of fnatic refugees?

Era is on Lajons, a T2 Swedish team that made it into Synergy league playoffs and stuff.


it's his old HON team if you kept up with that scene.
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
November 01 2014 22:47 GMT
#1670
On November 02 2014 06:08 Procake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 05:54 FHDH wrote:
On November 02 2014 05:42 Procake wrote:
On November 02 2014 05:22 cuckoo wrote:
On November 02 2014 04:35 pdd wrote:
Not sure why Sing is getting so much flak. Don't really know what you can do against a BKB Blink Doom determined to take out your Tide. Oh and Navi just were a lot better with their warding (all series long).

He only made one big mistake (granted it was somewhat crucial) when he walked through the enemy team with Ravage on cooldown near the Dire Top T2. But that fight it really was a team error as they should have just bailed when EGM (or was it Bulba I can't remember) got picked off. Instead they hesitated deciding whether they were gonna go in or not and that turned their small lead into the 3 midas team's favor. Really was game from there.


as i said, sing was gonna take the blame 'cause that's the trend right now. same way people say C9 is SOOOO much better without sing even though they haven't got any better results than last season

and that was exactly the team fight that lost them the game


Well I would say C9 are doing better now than they were last before TI4, 2nd at two Chinese LANs, actually won a tournament, although it was an online one, 3rd at Starladder with a stand-in. Old C9 bombed hard wehn they went to China, the best they did before was 2nd at Dreamhack.

I think moving Sing was necessary for the same reason that moving Puppey was the choice Na'Vi made. I don't think Envy was ever going to want him at that position the way XBOCT wasn't going to want Puppey/Kuroky around.

Sing is such a mixed bag it's painful to talk about him. Because he is very talented and has a wide hero pool but as it stands you have to use him right or he can either be ineffective or actually a liability. And I like him a lot but the team has got to either use him better or let him go. I don't think he's happy right now because his role seems to keep sliding into areas where he's not comfortable.

Also I think this just applies to TT in general. Like yes all of the players on the team can swap roles but I don't think this is good long-term. At some point you have to let your supports focus on their support game and your offlaner focus on his offlane game carry on his carry game and mid on his mid game. All of these role rotations seem to be based on hero preferences which don't appear to be working well in drafts anyway so start settling shit.

The only thing I have seen consistently work on pro teams is the occasional swap of safelane carry and mid.


I mean when SingSing was on C9 they would really draft around him it seems, they would always pick Mirana, Ember, TA, and then even Meepo too once he started playing that. He was always on something he was comfortable on and it made him shine. On TT now he is playing stuff like offlane Jakiro and Tide which is weird for him. I really think this mass role-swapping they do is stupid though. Simply put, the team that is more solidifed with their roles will probably do better than one that keeps switching them. You're right that for the most part the only switch I see work is the one where the carry and mid switch places depending on the heroes they pick.

I feel ike TT draft like this: Put Qojqva and Pajkatt on something they play well and is planned, whatever is left over in the draft, put SingSing on that.


Yep, that's exactly what I thought as well.

TT needs a true captain, but those are really hard to find. Who knows who can step up and take that role...
calippo
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2525 Posts
November 01 2014 23:13 GMT
#1671
TT will be fine, aslong as its online
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Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
November 02 2014 06:39 GMT
#1672
Where can I find the vods? I have checked joindotas daily motion, but no luck. It is quite frustrating really.
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hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
November 02 2014 07:51 GMT
#1673
what time does it continue today? the official page says 9 am but i dont believe them, lol.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
November 02 2014 07:54 GMT
#1674
Why not? They've actually been pretty punctual.
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Keardan
Profile Joined May 2014
Netherlands527 Posts
November 02 2014 08:17 GMT
#1675
They're starting!
If I'm asking noob questions, it's because I'm a noob, not because I'm being sarcastic.
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-02 08:22:19
November 02 2014 08:21 GMT
#1676
can they stop giving asian grill so much facetime?

has cwm casted the prior games as well?
bisu
Unattended Cake
Profile Joined December 2012
United States877 Posts
November 02 2014 08:23 GMT
#1677
Anyone else getting a slight sync delay?
"It's Santa! Get him, Jesus!"
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
November 02 2014 08:25 GMT
#1678
Who's that guy who's been helping out TT in drafting? Curly hair guy with glasses. Why are coaches/managers allowed to have input in the drafts?
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
November 02 2014 08:27 GMT
#1679
On November 02 2014 17:21 ramon wrote:
can they stop giving asian grill so much facetime?

has cwm casted the prior games as well?

CWM casted yesterdays TT vs Navi game. He's a pretty good caster. Surprisingly eloquent and has good analysis. He just mispronounces a bunch of things occasionally, but I'm surprised that he's actually pretty good at casting.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Keardan
Profile Joined May 2014
Netherlands527 Posts
November 02 2014 08:27 GMT
#1680
On November 02 2014 17:21 ramon wrote:
can they stop giving asian grill so much facetime?

Nope, they have a camera man who's obsessed with the girls in the audience :S

has cwm casted the prior games as well?

Yep.
If I'm asking noob questions, it's because I'm a noob, not because I'm being sarcastic.
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