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On July 22 2014 06:11 FiWiFaKi wrote:
QUICK QUESTION!
Does anyone think oversaturation is becoming a problem in the Dota 2 scene? Since I think it was a case with SC2, and looking at the history, it feels like we've been seeing more tournaments this year than in the previous ones. Oversaturation was never a problem in SC2 and it's never going to be a problem in Dota 2.
It's a term people use to misplace blame for scene stagnation or decline. Although I do not believe it's ever the cause.
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On July 22 2014 06:11 FiWiFaKi wrote:
QUICK QUESTION!
Does anyone think oversaturation is becoming a problem in the Dota 2 scene? Since I think it was a case with SC2, and looking at the history, it feels like we've been seeing more tournaments this year than in the previous ones.
Not per se, but rather the mentality "Enter all the tournaments" mentality that some teams have. At some point, you just gotta pick your fights
And I'm still not sure if it was a good idea of MLG to schedule their event right after DreamHack.
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On July 22 2014 06:11 FiWiFaKi wrote:
QUICK QUESTION!
Does anyone think oversaturation is becoming a problem in the Dota 2 scene? Since I think it was a case with SC2, and looking at the history, it feels like we've been seeing more tournaments this year than in the previous ones.
It's the inevitable cycle...
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Everyone seems to have thought you could do whatever your team wanted on this patch but it seems it just hadn't been figured out and taking highground between ten and fifteen minutes was by far the best thing to be doing? Well, C9 defended against VG doing it in groupstages but...
Atleast we have the team reshuffles to look forward to!
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The problem with SC2 was casual player base. There wasn't one. You need one, to feed ppl into the pro-scene. But that's different discussion.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
How many teams will reshuffle?
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On July 22 2014 06:14 Khylol wrote:
Everyone seems to have thought you could do whatever your team wanted on this patch but it seems it just hadn't been figured out and taking highground between ten and fifteen minutes was by far the best thing to be doing? Well, C9 defended against VG doing it in groupstages but...
Atleast we have the team reshuffles to look forward to!
People who are bitching about push strats never played Dota 1. Push strats are a staple in tournaments since early days of CAL/MYM. People being surprised that Rhasta is somehow top support/ban is pretty funny too, hero literally is banned in every major tournament or first picked because of his ability to shut down so many greedy strats.
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Ok, thats pretty good. 1 health is pretty epic.
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On July 22 2014 06:15 stuchiu wrote:
How many teams will reshuffle?
I think pretty much everyone aside from EG
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On July 22 2014 05:40 thOr6136 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 05:35 Geo.Rion wrote:On July 22 2014 05:30 Diavlo wrote:On July 22 2014 05:28 Geo.Rion wrote:
good riddance, this would have been the least deserving winner of the biggest prize pool tournament in dota history if VG takes it, so congratz Newbee They came up first in the group stage and then beat every top team apart from ig to get to the finals. How the fuck are they not deserving to be there. because they face-rushed/ allin pushed every game, save for the ones they lost. I know they play to win, but i watch to be entertained, so F them. So yeah, thank god VG got denied the 1st place, if it was a different format with more bo3s, and more bo5s in semis or quarterfinals, VG would have packed their bags days ago yeah lets rather play to entertain Geo.Rion instead of trying to win a tournament that means everything to you LOL ... i mean are you serious?
i am.
They play to win, i cheer for team i like.
I know, it's crazy, try to wrap ur mind aroudn it
Not too hard though, ur brain might boil.
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On July 22 2014 06:12 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 06:11 FiWiFaKi wrote:
QUICK QUESTION!
Does anyone think oversaturation is becoming a problem in the Dota 2 scene? Since I think it was a case with SC2, and looking at the history, it feels like we've been seeing more tournaments this year than in the previous ones. Oversaturation was never a problem in SC2 and it's never going to be a problem in Dota 2. It's a term people use to misplace blame for scene stagnation or decline. Although I do not believe it's ever the cause.
I think it's a thing, and it was definitely the case with SC2.
You simply can't get hyped if there's a tournament every weekend with the same players, same strats all the time since you've seen like 2000 games... No new tournament can hype you at that point.
If ESL One had all the teams TI4 had, wouldn't it be almost the same hype anyway? I hope you know what I mean.
Especially before, I feel like the scenes were more disconnected, so TI brought everything together and there was hype because of that.
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On July 22 2014 06:10 Ultimo Hombre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 06:09 IntoTheheart wrote:On July 22 2014 06:09 Mensol wrote:On July 22 2014 06:06 Milkis wrote:
For those of you guys who watched brood war, do you guys remember that Zero vs Jaedong semifinals where Jaedong 12 hatched 3x in a row and got rolled over?
What an awful series of games It was the tournament where Jaedong barely beat Reality wasnt it? Was it the one that Flash 3:0'd ZerO? Yes, including that super frustrating game where Flash went mech and killed everything Zero sent at him over and over until gg
Was that the one on Destination? God that game was awesome.
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On July 22 2014 06:15 disciple wrote:I think pretty much everyone aside from EG
And Newbee if their contract is for 2 years, as mentioned earlier.
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The finals were a stinker in terms of excitement or the lack of it. Even if it had been NaVi stomping a Chinese team in such a manner and social media having a collective orgasm over their dominance doesn't change the fact that it would've been just as poor of a final series.
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On July 22 2014 06:14 Nymzee wrote:so people say this TI finals had no epic moments: 5 MILLION DOLLAR BREW SPLIT; http://i.imgur.com/gJ8vhP2.png1 FUCKING HEALTH.
holy shit i thought it was like 10hp
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I don't think Alliance will reshuffle either, they get along together well, just didn't work hard enough imo.
Curious what could happen to C9 as well.
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Man people really need to chill. The bitching about push strats is even worse than the complaints about rat doto lol
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To be honest Valve probably did the best job ever with this Dota patch. They should just continue doing what they've been doing up till now, small buffs to underused heroes, small nerfs to overused ones and maybe, just maybe, slight buffs/nerfs to certain strategies (again via careful selection of what hero/abilities you buff) if they turn out to be too strong/weak.
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On July 22 2014 06:11 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 05:59 Derity wrote:
I strongly agree, that the way to the finals was not building up any hype. Never had the feeling that they play for so much money, could as well have been a 50k tournament. And what did you expect ? They wont start shooting lasers from their asses just because their playing for 5 million dollars. Its the same game. Final for 5M wont be much different than a final for 10k or less. Btw I don't know why everyone is so focused on the damn money. From the casters, the analysts desk to the fans. The first thing they think and talk about is the 5 million dollars... It this is the biggest selling point of TI, I don't know what to think about it.
Well, poorly worded on my part. I guess I just expected more intense matches, but it felt like that the games were decided with 1st blood/first lane kill.
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