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On July 22 2014 06:06 Canucklehead wrote:
Don't know what people mean by no storyline. Newbee's road to victory was the best storyline of this tourney by far. If a western team pulled off the same thing as newbee we'd never hear the end of it for ten years and it would be part of esports lore.
As it is with all the backlash, it still might be one of the parts of eSports lore.
Kinda like the MyCUBE OSL.
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On July 22 2014 06:04 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 06:03 Condor Hero wrote:On July 22 2014 05:59 superstartran wrote:On July 22 2014 05:59 opterown wrote:On July 22 2014 05:58 lprk wrote:On July 22 2014 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I'll quickly share my thoughts on why this finals and tournament didn't do it for me.
Obviously like other people mentioned, Newbee and Vici aren't the most hype teams and the games weren't very intense. But I think what really mattered to me, is that before TI4, they were not looking solid. Vici losing to Fnatic, not really going far, Newbee still looking good but being bested by DK and iG relatively frequently... I can't call them the best teams in the world just because they have won TI. Their performance before hasn't shown it, so if they keep demolishing everyone for the next 4-6 months, then sure, I'll be happy for Newbee, and really say this was the start of something huge for them, but if Newbee just goes to disband since they all just made $1,000,000 USD, then there is this void of a champion to me.
That's the main thing that did it for me, don't know if anyone else really feels this way. IIRC when NB were formed they all signed 2 years contracts so rather no disbanand soon yep http://2p.com/4628976_1/NewBee-to-play-together-for-at-least-two-years-by-GodBlessMali.htm Doesn't matter, if one of them decides to retire that's pretty much it. Xiao8's pretty much done everything at this point, there's no reason for Director 8 to stick around. More money and more prestige, Dota players, especially in China, don't have many other skills. I guess if he could get a job as a coach or analyst if he doesn't like the grind anymore but imo it is very alluring to try to with TI5 when you have a great lineup and team that you know is a contender. Na'Vi, iG and Alliance all came back before they knew the TI4 prize pool would be absurd. I would be really surprised if anyone in NB retires. Director 8 is pretty fucking loaded with money at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if he just retired.
yeah I bet his contract is huge, I think just his transfer fee was $150k~.
I would be surprised if he walked but w/e, I guess it's better to go out on top rather than after realizing you're too old.
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So does going to european and american tournaments make chinese teams do worse at the international?
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On July 22 2014 06:07 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 06:04 superstartran wrote:On July 22 2014 06:03 Condor Hero wrote:On July 22 2014 05:59 superstartran wrote:On July 22 2014 05:59 opterown wrote:On July 22 2014 05:58 lprk wrote:On July 22 2014 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I'll quickly share my thoughts on why this finals and tournament didn't do it for me.
Obviously like other people mentioned, Newbee and Vici aren't the most hype teams and the games weren't very intense. But I think what really mattered to me, is that before TI4, they were not looking solid. Vici losing to Fnatic, not really going far, Newbee still looking good but being bested by DK and iG relatively frequently... I can't call them the best teams in the world just because they have won TI. Their performance before hasn't shown it, so if they keep demolishing everyone for the next 4-6 months, then sure, I'll be happy for Newbee, and really say this was the start of something huge for them, but if Newbee just goes to disband since they all just made $1,000,000 USD, then there is this void of a champion to me.
That's the main thing that did it for me, don't know if anyone else really feels this way. IIRC when NB were formed they all signed 2 years contracts so rather no disbanand soon yep http://2p.com/4628976_1/NewBee-to-play-together-for-at-least-two-years-by-GodBlessMali.htm Doesn't matter, if one of them decides to retire that's pretty much it. Xiao8's pretty much done everything at this point, there's no reason for Director 8 to stick around. More money and more prestige, Dota players, especially in China, don't have many other skills. I guess if he could get a job as a coach or analyst if he doesn't like the grind anymore but imo it is very alluring to try to with TI5 when you have a great lineup and team that you know is a contender. Na'Vi, iG and Alliance all came back before they knew the TI4 prize pool would be absurd. I would be really surprised if anyone in NB retires. Director 8 is pretty fucking loaded with money at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if he just retired. yeah I bet his contract is huge, I think just his transfer fee was $150k~. I would be surprised if he walked but w/e, I guess it's better to go out on top rather than after realizing you're too old.
i think it was 81k?
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So what are the new complaints about Chinese dota? When it was long it was boring. Now they games are fast, and they're boring too.
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I wish I was able to watch more of the finals. Oh well, at least there are the replays.
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Honestly TI4 was pretty crap except for the round robin. Newbee deserves it for being the best team after that stage. But really for the prize pool and hype, I was hoping for a nicer tournament and games.
Also better analyst desk please. No sheever not because she is female, but because she is bad. Same goes for pyrion. I would say Bruno too, but he is probably not going anywhere.
Lastly better format please. Should have single elimination ro16. Only problem is how to schedule all of them.
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On July 22 2014 05:59 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 05:59 opterown wrote:On July 22 2014 05:58 lprk wrote:On July 22 2014 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I'll quickly share my thoughts on why this finals and tournament didn't do it for me.
Obviously like other people mentioned, Newbee and Vici aren't the most hype teams and the games weren't very intense. But I think what really mattered to me, is that before TI4, they were not looking solid. Vici losing to Fnatic, not really going far, Newbee still looking good but being bested by DK and iG relatively frequently... I can't call them the best teams in the world just because they have won TI. Their performance before hasn't shown it, so if they keep demolishing everyone for the next 4-6 months, then sure, I'll be happy for Newbee, and really say this was the start of something huge for them, but if Newbee just goes to disband since they all just made $1,000,000 USD, then there is this void of a champion to me.
That's the main thing that did it for me, don't know if anyone else really feels this way. IIRC when NB were formed they all signed 2 years contracts so rather no disbanand soon yep http://2p.com/4628976_1/NewBee-to-play-together-for-at-least-two-years-by-GodBlessMali.htm Doesn't matter, if one of them decides to retire that's pretty much it. Xiao8's pretty much done everything at this point, there's no reason for Director 8 to stick around.
Does there have to be any other reason than MONEY MONEY MONEY? Assuming TI5 will have an even larger prize pool than this and that it will keep growing over the years, it'll be like a yearly piñata festival for the great players of DotA.
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Xiao8 is 24 years old. How old is that for a DotA II player?
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On July 22 2014 06:07 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 06:05 stuchiu wrote:On July 22 2014 06:04 superstartran wrote:On July 22 2014 06:03 Condor Hero wrote:On July 22 2014 05:59 superstartran wrote:On July 22 2014 05:59 opterown wrote:On July 22 2014 05:58 lprk wrote:On July 22 2014 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I'll quickly share my thoughts on why this finals and tournament didn't do it for me.
Obviously like other people mentioned, Newbee and Vici aren't the most hype teams and the games weren't very intense. But I think what really mattered to me, is that before TI4, they were not looking solid. Vici losing to Fnatic, not really going far, Newbee still looking good but being bested by DK and iG relatively frequently... I can't call them the best teams in the world just because they have won TI. Their performance before hasn't shown it, so if they keep demolishing everyone for the next 4-6 months, then sure, I'll be happy for Newbee, and really say this was the start of something huge for them, but if Newbee just goes to disband since they all just made $1,000,000 USD, then there is this void of a champion to me.
That's the main thing that did it for me, don't know if anyone else really feels this way. IIRC when NB were formed they all signed 2 years contracts so rather no disbanand soon yep http://2p.com/4628976_1/NewBee-to-play-together-for-at-least-two-years-by-GodBlessMali.htm Doesn't matter, if one of them decides to retire that's pretty much it. Xiao8's pretty much done everything at this point, there's no reason for Director 8 to stick around. More money and more prestige, Dota players, especially in China, don't have many other skills. I guess if he could get a job as a coach or analyst if he doesn't like the grind anymore but imo it is very alluring to try to with TI5 when you have a great lineup and team that you know is a contender. Na'Vi, iG and Alliance all came back before they knew the TI4 prize pool would be absurd. I would be really surprised if anyone in NB retires. Director 8 is pretty fucking loaded with money at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if he just retired. Did he stop liking dota or something? It's not that he stopped liking DotA, it's just that he's been doing it for awhile now. Unfortunately he will be highly pressured by his family to stop playing now that he has a truckload of money to his name, settle down, have kids, blah blah blah.
Not hrd to get a wife when rich now. No need to go to a dating show
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On July 22 2014 06:06 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 05:57 Destructicon wrote:On July 22 2014 05:51 hunter_x wrote:
Very dissapointing grand finals. Last year was much better, it was so intense.
also this ti lacked big storylines, nothing like liquid beating lgd at ti3. but i guess you can not blame newbee for that;)
i just hope western teams step their game up next year. Newbee's story was quite epic actually if you think of it. On the verge of being eliminated in the group stages they rally back and win enough to force a tiebreaker and then they win that. In the BO3 format, and despite some hiccups here and there they still march onward even destroying some past champions and the finally take it all. If you'd replace TL, C9, EG or hell even Mouz, Empire with Newbee in that story then people would be all over how beautiful it is. Seriously that attitude is just disgusting, just because your favorite team didn't win doesn't make Newbee's story any less epic. I'm also sad that DK didn't win but hell, with the way Newbee played they fucking deserved to win and they have my respect from here on out and my support in the event DK do disband with their players retiring. No. The format kinda killed the storyline. Two days on the sideline would have made any finalist much less epic than seeing the story day after day build. Sorry I have the temerity to not celebrate all things Chinese dota.
I can sort of agree with you on that front, the story would have been a bit better had they scheduled the games such that Newbee would be playing every day. I also have other qualms with the format, but I'll leave that to another time and thread.
Overall though Newbee's story is still fantastic.
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On July 22 2014 06:04 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 06:01 opterown wrote:On July 22 2014 06:00 Numy wrote:On July 22 2014 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I'll quickly share my thoughts on why this finals and tournament didn't do it for me.
Obviously like other people mentioned, Newbee and Vici aren't the most hype teams and the games weren't very intense. But I think what really mattered to me, is that before TI4, they were not looking solid. Vici losing to Fnatic, not really going far, Newbee still looking good but being bested by DK and iG relatively frequently... I can't call them the best teams in the world just because they have won TI. Their performance before hasn't shown it, so if they keep demolishing everyone for the next 4-6 months, then sure, I'll be happy for Newbee, and really say this was the start of something huge for them, but if Newbee just goes to disband since they all just made $1,000,000 USD, then there is this void of a champion to me.
That's the main thing that did it for me, don't know if anyone else really feels this way. So Navi looking average prior to TI2 and TI3 didn't massively impact how you felt over the finals since you couldn't call them the 2nd best team in the world? na`vi never looked average before both, they were top 2 western team each time going in They definitely looked average going into TI2 where many called it quite a miracle run they made it to finals. TI3 they were pretty bad about a month prior when they had those random events in China and did pretty well.
They looked bad only in the group stage of the Alienware cup (which they still won)
They also won 2 of the 3 western tournaments they entered in the month before TI3, and dropped out of the third because they had to go the China (they were first in the group stage of that tournament as well).
Na'Vi was doing great before TI3, they were even first in the TL ranking.
On July 22 2014 06:06 Canucklehead wrote:
Don't know what people mean by no storyline. Newbee's road to victory was the best storyline of this tourney by far. If a western team pulled off the same thing as newbee we'd never hear the end of it for ten years and it would be part of esports lore.
LGD would have been better I think.
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On July 22 2014 06:06 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 06:04 gulati wrote:
wait a minute.... where's the afterparty with Darude? wasn't that one of the stretch goals? They expected the bo5 to be a bit longer I guess.
You don't plan exact schedules in D I G I T A L S P O R T S, they never works
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On July 22 2014 06:06 Canucklehead wrote:
Don't know what people mean by no storyline. Newbee's road to victory was the best storyline of this tourney by far. If a western team pulled off the same thing as newbee we'd never hear the end of it for ten years and it would be part of esports lore.
I think it's not only about the "story of the tournament", it's about the story of the "scene". That's why teamliquid making it would be absolutely insane. They have been losing to like tier 3 teams for most of the year, and come out beating all the power houses.
A story that lasts 12 days usually can't make an absolutely fantastic story.
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On July 22 2014 06:07 infiniteJest wrote:
So does going to european and american tournaments make chinese teams do worse at the international?
somewhat possible - you're not as a big target to western teams, they don't know you as well?
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On July 22 2014 06:06 Milkis wrote:
For those of you guys who watched brood war, do you guys remember that Zero vs Jaedong semifinals where Jaedong 12 hatched 3x in a row and got rolled over?
What an awful series of games
It was the tournament where Jaedong barely beat Reality wasnt it?
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On July 22 2014 06:08 IntoTheheart wrote:
Xiao8 is 24 years old. How old is that for a DotA II player?
Older than 80-90% of players on pro teams.
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On July 22 2014 06:08 Dreamer.T wrote:
So what are the new complaints about Chinese dota? When it was long it was boring. Now they games are fast, and they're boring too.
PUSH STRATS 15 MIN RAX DEATHBALL IMBA BORING ZZ NO SKILL
COMPARED TO 75 MINUTE 4-1 MEDUSA SPECTRE NAGA GAMES EVERY GAME BORING CHINESE GAEM BORING META ETC
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Guys, these are Chinese teams. One mistake and you're out. They won't throw the game like EU/NA teams will making it look like "awesome" or "exciting" to masses.
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On July 22 2014 06:08 Dreamer.T wrote:
So what are the new complaints about Chinese dota? When it was long it was boring. Now they games are fast, and they're boring too.
don't you realise?
chinese doto games have to last 40 minutes while having 10 kills per minute, with each carry farming 20 creeps per min, with roshan dying every 8 minutes.
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