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On July 20 2014 06:19 Talron wrote:
Dunno guys, but the majority of Void performances from pretty much everyone have been pretty subpar to say the least. Don't get why teams still value him so highly and pick him during 1st phase.
Geez, 1 bad void from YYF and then a comment like this. All his void plays so far have been stellar except this one. Also Universe hasnt underperformed on Void like EVER. Stop posting shit please.
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On July 20 2014 06:20 cilinder007 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 06:19 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 20 2014 06:16 Numy wrote:On July 20 2014 06:14 Bam Lee wrote:On July 20 2014 06:07 Numy wrote:On July 20 2014 06:06 Lorizean wrote:
So, as a total Dota noob, and people in this thread talking about mechanics, would I be correct in assuming that mechanics are far less important in Dota than, say, SC2?
It seems to me that strategic use of abilities and teamplay is more important than having strong mechanics (and there seem to be a lower skill ceiling, mechanically speaking, but that's just from watching). Mechanics are less important yes. A lot of dota comes down to experience and strategic moves. The different between amazing mechanics and good mechanics doesn't mean as much as the difference between the other aspects. I think amazing mechanics are important to a certain degree. Like if you can silence brewmaster consistently with skywrath i consider it amazing mechanics and it can make games a lot easier(just an example) But yeah you can win a lot of dota games with just some good strategic knowledge and okay mechanics Well yea amazing mechanics are important and do help. All I really meant is that it's not AS important as in a game like SC2. I think the best example of this is watching a team like Mouz play late game vs a team like A. The shear strategic knowledge and experience difference is so absurd I agree in that I don't think that mechanics are crazy important in Dota 2. However when someone has bad mechanics in a certain game, like missing easy CS, or misclicking spells, etc. You can say they are having a rough game. Just because someone missing a smoke gank, doesn't mean they are playing badly, but missing easy CS is one of the easiest ways to see someone is playing poorly. Just like it's very easy to spot a bad Chrono or Blackhole, while other spells are harder to spot when they are bad. and yet missing a smoke gank is faaaar more impactful than missing a cs
Please look at what I'm saying closely.
I'm not saying that hitting a CS is more impactful, I agree with you that missing a smoke gang matters more. What I'm saying is that if you miss CS, you are having a rough game where it's an indication of something going wrong... Missing a smoke gank doesn't mean you're doing badly. If players are missing easy CS, to me it says they might be shaken, and are much more likely to lose the game.
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On July 20 2014 06:21 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 06:20 TR wrote:On July 20 2014 06:18 cilinder007 wrote:
FERRARI INVOKER YEEEEEEEEEES WE WON Kunkka we won ;]
But this is not xiao8's Kunkka...
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Please 430 invo and Luo viper not the opposite
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On July 20 2014 06:20 ramon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 06:18 Bam Lee wrote:On July 20 2014 06:15 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On July 20 2014 06:14 Bam Lee wrote:On July 20 2014 06:07 Numy wrote:On July 20 2014 06:06 Lorizean wrote:
So, as a total Dota noob, and people in this thread talking about mechanics, would I be correct in assuming that mechanics are far less important in Dota than, say, SC2?
It seems to me that strategic use of abilities and teamplay is more important than having strong mechanics (and there seem to be a lower skill ceiling, mechanically speaking, but that's just from watching). Mechanics are less important yes. A lot of dota comes down to experience and strategic moves. The different between amazing mechanics and good mechanics doesn't mean as much as the difference between the other aspects. I think amazing mechanics are important to a certain degree. Like if you can silence brewmaster consistently with skywrath i consider it amazing mechanics and it can make games a lot easier(just an example) But yeah you can win a lot of dota games with just some good strategic knowledge and okay mechanics you're conflating terms again, it's positioning that allows skywrath to get a good silence on brew, the mechanics of it is literally just clicking a fat drunk guy Well it is also about reaction time which i do consider mechanical(might be wrong on that). Like in 1 game the invoker could orchid the batrider after the blink before he could lasso. Its not something i would only say is a matter of positioning most of the time when we see quick silences/hexes after blink ins it is actually the player just waiting with the mouse and skill activated at the point where they expect the blink so it's more prediction than reaction again
It is definitely a prediction but its not something everybody can pull off.
But you are right i guess reaction time is not just 100% mechanical.
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DK Razor Kunkka and defensive fissures gl killing anyone
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ohboy viper dnt let him gets big please LGD GOGOGO
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nonononononon, no ferrari invoker
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Hey iG, pub games called they want their penta-core back.
No seriously wtf even no Ferrari-voker.
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wtf is that kunkka set hahaahhaa
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dont like the dk pick here, but we'll see
luo invoker will be nice
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On July 20 2014 06:20 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 06:19 Talron wrote:
Dunno guys, but the majority of Void performances from pretty much everyone have been pretty subpar to say the least. Don't get why teams still value him so highly and pick him during 1st phase. It's so easy to believe that you can survive long enough until he becomes amazing. It's really that hero where if you hang in long enough without a huge disadvantage you'll be golden at the 35min-40min and beyond point... Combos well with many spells like sunstrike and SWM ulti too.
It's greedy. Void offlane is greedy but because people have seen how amazing Universe has been with Void and the things he did with him, everyone just bandwagoned the Void.
That game was a clear cut definition of how to shut him off before he got anything done.
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What the heck is that Kunkka set.
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okay i prefer IGs draft here.
phew ~
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430 viper. we fucking lost. talent wasted.
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On July 20 2014 06:22 FreakyDroid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 06:19 Talron wrote:
Dunno guys, but the majority of Void performances from pretty much everyone have been pretty subpar to say the least. Don't get why teams still value him so highly and pick him during 1st phase. Geez, 1 bad void from YYF and then a comment like this. All his void plays so far have been stellar except this one. Also Universe hasnt underperformed on Void like EVER. Stop posting shit please.
I don't think that he's blaming it just on YYF. A lot of the FV plays this TI have been quite subpar but most teams have been able to shut him down really well.
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