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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
July 14 2014 21:35 GMT
#2341
On July 15 2014 06:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:28 Faruko wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:22 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:18 Faruko wrote:

If you are fan of DK, you root for them, not for the players !, even if by some reason they are 5 new players that sucks

that's dumb as hell

I get that you dont like sports or teams for all that matters

fine, but thats you

To clarify, borderline everybody BUT you feels this way.

And like the big majority of Liquid fans. Both cases exist.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-14 21:36:10
July 14 2014 21:35 GMT
#2342
On July 15 2014 06:34 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:32 Diavlo wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:25 pyro19 wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:22 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:18 Faruko wrote:

If you are fan of DK, you root for them, not for the players !, even if by some reason they are 5 new players that sucks

that's dumb as hell

It's really not.
That's how every major Sports Franchise fans are.They support their team rather than the Individuals that play in them.
If you switch teams after your favourite player leaves then it's pretty clear you weren't a fan of the organization to begin with and just liked watching a specific player.

Well in most major Sports Franchise fans identify to the organisation for some reason. Either they had players they were fan of when they were young or had parents who were fans or share proximity with said organization/team.

In Dota that translates as being fan of Mouz because you are German or Liquid because you like the site or liking some players on a team.

I like DK because of the players, I have no feelings about DK as an organization, I don't even know who their sponsors are and I would guess it's the same for most people.


It's really just a time issue. Most sports franchises have been around for decades so eventually you become attached to the team itself and not just the players. eSports just hasn't been around long enough for that to happen so it's predominately about the players.

that's a succinct way of expressing why i feel it'd be dumb as hell to have team loyalty at this point EDIT the liquid case makes the most sense to me though
posting on liquid sites in current year
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
July 14 2014 21:36 GMT
#2343
On July 15 2014 06:28 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:25 pyro19 wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:22 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:18 Faruko wrote:

If you are fan of DK, you root for them, not for the players !, even if by some reason they are 5 new players that sucks

that's dumb as hell

It's really not.
That's how every major Sports Franchise fans are.They support their team rather than the Individuals that play in them.
If you switch teams after your favourite player leaves then it's pretty clear you weren't a fan of the organization to begin with and just liked watching a specific player.

your logic: lots of sports fans do it, so it's not dumb as hell

BUT, what if i contend that most sports fans are dumb as hell?!?! ooooo

also a lot of regional physical sports are based on region, so it would make more sense to root for your region's team even if it cycles players. with dota 2, i don't give a shit about region actually. "i'm a fan of dk" is shorthand for me for "i'm a fan of the current 5 players and drafting and playstyle on dk," i'm not professing loyalty to the organization and it'd be silly of people to assume i am


That's what we call a Glory Hunter.

It's fine if you think the Idea is dumb and Sports fans are dumb. It's your word against Millions. Majority of this Forum supports Liquid since the Inception of their team and still support them to this day even after the Team switches and wonky playstyle because they would like to see the organization do well on a global stage.Does that make them dumb too?
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
CuSToM
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1478 Posts
July 14 2014 21:36 GMT
#2344
this is gonna be a 430 earthshaker man
Team SCV Life #1
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
July 14 2014 21:36 GMT
#2345
On July 15 2014 06:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:28 Faruko wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:22 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:18 Faruko wrote:

If you are fan of DK, you root for them, not for the players !, even if by some reason they are 5 new players that sucks

that's dumb as hell

I get that you dont like sports or teams for all that matters

fine, but thats you

To clarify, borderline everybody BUT you feels this way.

Nah, eSports are different from other sports. Loyalty to organisations that mostly last only a couple years is totally different to ones that have been round for over a century. If you want to do that it's fine, but if you don't I don't see the problem.

Where I'd make fun of people is if they're a "fan" when a team is winning and not when they're losing despite no changes in personnel.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Fatalize
Profile Joined January 2011
France5210 Posts
July 14 2014 21:37 GMT
#2346
On July 15 2014 06:32 ch33psh33p wrote:
This announcer hype as fuck

No "GREETINGS AND SALUTAAAATIONS" though
Oddball28
Profile Joined May 2013
Denmark2121 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-14 21:38:01
July 14 2014 21:37 GMT
#2347
On July 15 2014 06:33 KristofferAG wrote:
all i can think about with these high res cameras n shit is how impure their skin is and how much shit they've got on their face to look good.


So basically like normal tv productions? You know they are just regular people right? Could you be more narrow minded?
LaNm, Iceiceice, Mushi, BurNIng and MMY - DK 2013/2014 - What a ride it was...
Gotuso
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands733 Posts
July 14 2014 21:38 GMT
#2348
That's how every major Sports Franchise fans are.They support their team rather than the Individuals that play in them.



Thats not really true. In Football, people support players just as much as teams. I was a fan of Tottenham Hotspur for a while because Rafeal van der Vaart played for them. Once he left, I lost interest. A lot of people support Messi, Ronaldo or Ibrahimoviz without necessarily being fan of the team
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
July 14 2014 21:38 GMT
#2349
On July 15 2014 06:36 CuSToM wrote:
this is gonna be a 430 earthshaker man

newp
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
July 14 2014 21:38 GMT
#2350
On July 15 2014 06:34 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:32 Diavlo wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:25 pyro19 wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:22 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:18 Faruko wrote:

If you are fan of DK, you root for them, not for the players !, even if by some reason they are 5 new players that sucks

that's dumb as hell

It's really not.
That's how every major Sports Franchise fans are.They support their team rather than the Individuals that play in them.
If you switch teams after your favourite player leaves then it's pretty clear you weren't a fan of the organization to begin with and just liked watching a specific player.

Well in most major Sports Franchise fans identify to the organisation for some reason. Either they had players they were fan of when they were young or had parents who were fans or share proximity with said organization/team.

In Dota that translates as being fan of Mouz because you are German or Liquid because you like the site or liking some players on a team.

I like DK because of the players, I have no feelings about DK as an organization, I don't even know who their sponsors are and I would guess it's the same for most people.


It's really just a time issue. Most sports franchises have been around for decades so eventually you become attached to the team itself and not just the players. eSports just hasn't been around long enough for that to happen so it's predominately about the players.


This !
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
July 14 2014 21:38 GMT
#2351
On July 15 2014 06:34 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:32 Diavlo wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:25 pyro19 wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:22 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:18 Faruko wrote:

If you are fan of DK, you root for them, not for the players !, even if by some reason they are 5 new players that sucks

that's dumb as hell

It's really not.
That's how every major Sports Franchise fans are.They support their team rather than the Individuals that play in them.
If you switch teams after your favourite player leaves then it's pretty clear you weren't a fan of the organization to begin with and just liked watching a specific player.

Well in most major Sports Franchise fans identify to the organisation for some reason. Either they had players they were fan of when they were young or had parents who were fans or share proximity with said organization/team.

In Dota that translates as being fan of Mouz because you are German or Liquid because you like the site or liking some players on a team.

I like DK because of the players, I have no feelings about DK as an organization, I don't even know who their sponsors are and I would guess it's the same for most people.


It's really just a time issue. Most sports franchises have been around for decades so eventually you become attached to the team itself and not just the players. eSports just hasn't been around long enough for that to happen so it's predominately about the players.


I agree, we are actually seeing the start of real franchise with EG/Na'Vi and and other long running organizations that expand in different games. I don't know anything about LOL or Street fighter but if I check a stream with an EG/Liquid player I will pretty much automatically root for that guy.
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
July 14 2014 21:38 GMT
#2352
430 on Tinker I suppose.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-14 21:40:31
July 14 2014 21:38 GMT
#2353
On July 15 2014 06:36 pyro19 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:28 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:25 pyro19 wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:22 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:18 Faruko wrote:

If you are fan of DK, you root for them, not for the players !, even if by some reason they are 5 new players that sucks

that's dumb as hell

It's really not.
That's how every major Sports Franchise fans are.They support their team rather than the Individuals that play in them.
If you switch teams after your favourite player leaves then it's pretty clear you weren't a fan of the organization to begin with and just liked watching a specific player.

your logic: lots of sports fans do it, so it's not dumb as hell

BUT, what if i contend that most sports fans are dumb as hell?!?! ooooo

also a lot of regional physical sports are based on region, so it would make more sense to root for your region's team even if it cycles players. with dota 2, i don't give a shit about region actually. "i'm a fan of dk" is shorthand for me for "i'm a fan of the current 5 players and drafting and playstyle on dk," i'm not professing loyalty to the organization and it'd be silly of people to assume i am


That's what we call a Glory Hunter.

i didn't say i like dk because they win, that'd be another reason. i can't lie and say i don't like winning teams more than losing teams (wasnt an EG fan until they started winning), but among both winning and losing teams i judge by draft, playstyle, and personality

It's fine if you think the Idea is dumb and Sports fans are dumb. It's your word against Millions. Majority of this Forum supports Liquid since the Inception of their team and still support them to this day even after the Team switches and wonky playstyle because they would like to see the organization do well on a global stage.Does that make them dumb too?

i mean when i rooted for jinro back in the early days of sc2 its cuz i recognized his name from the forums, i didn't really like the players they picked up that had never posted on the forums or had any real interaction. so... personally, taht kind of logic is kinda dumb to me but i can see it more. i'll still idly root for notre dame my parents' alma mater, and i get the logic, but it's still dumber than rooting for reasons more related to how they play teh gaem itself, which is determined by the players, not the organization
posting on liquid sites in current year
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
July 14 2014 21:39 GMT
#2354
On July 15 2014 06:36 pyro19 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:28 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:25 pyro19 wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:22 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:18 Faruko wrote:

If you are fan of DK, you root for them, not for the players !, even if by some reason they are 5 new players that sucks

that's dumb as hell

It's really not.
That's how every major Sports Franchise fans are.They support their team rather than the Individuals that play in them.
If you switch teams after your favourite player leaves then it's pretty clear you weren't a fan of the organization to begin with and just liked watching a specific player.

your logic: lots of sports fans do it, so it's not dumb as hell

BUT, what if i contend that most sports fans are dumb as hell?!?! ooooo

also a lot of regional physical sports are based on region, so it would make more sense to root for your region's team even if it cycles players. with dota 2, i don't give a shit about region actually. "i'm a fan of dk" is shorthand for me for "i'm a fan of the current 5 players and drafting and playstyle on dk," i'm not professing loyalty to the organization and it'd be silly of people to assume i am


That's what we call a Glory Hunter.

It's fine if you think the Idea is dumb and Sports fans are dumb. It's your word against Millions. Majority of this Forum supports Liquid since the Inception of their team and still support them to this day even after the Team switches and wonky playstyle because they would like to see the organization do well on a global stage.Does that make them dumb too?

he didnt even hint that said 5 players with said style was doing well, so its not glory hunting
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
July 14 2014 21:39 GMT
#2355
Oh boy, spectre vs tinker.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Steelavocado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2123 Posts
July 14 2014 21:39 GMT
#2356
On July 15 2014 06:38 Gotuso wrote:
Show nested quote +
That's how every major Sports Franchise fans are.They support their team rather than the Individuals that play in them.



Thats not really true. In Football, people support players just as much as teams. I was a fan of Tottenham Hotspur for a while because Rafeal van der Vaart played for them. Once he left, I lost interest. A lot of people support Messi, Ronaldo or Ibrahimoviz without necessarily being fan of the team

Cleveland fan reporting in. Lbj did the same thing with me.
MIRACLE IS YOUR TI7 CHAMP
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
July 14 2014 21:39 GMT
#2357
SPECTRE! FUCK YES!
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
July 14 2014 21:39 GMT
#2358
spectreee yeahh
Why don't Na'Vi run the legendary Xboct spectre anymore when Newbee suddenly can?
or just tinker counter?
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-14 21:40:09
July 14 2014 21:39 GMT
#2359
On July 15 2014 06:39 Ramiz1989 wrote:
SPECTRE! FUCK YES!

Never mind, LD will roll Newbee. At the very least, Newbee will bothered with him.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
CherryNubCakes
Profile Joined July 2012
United States972 Posts
July 14 2014 21:39 GMT
#2360
On July 15 2014 06:37 Fatalize wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:32 ch33psh33p wrote:
This announcer hype as fuck

No "GREETINGS AND SALUTAAAATIONS" though

See I was told I needed my ears checked when I compared Ayesee to this voice.

But even without my air conditioner running 5 feet away from my ears I still think they sound vaguely similar
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