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On August 28 2012 21:32 ControlMonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 21:19 YODA_ wrote:On August 28 2012 13:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On reddit
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To clarify some stuff, as obviously it needs to be done:
valve notifies the streamers of the matches they will cast about 24hrs before the starting time
I lodge my dispute instantly and am told the decisions will not be changed and I am free to stream using DOTA TV or cast the assigned game.
We are not being paid at all for the group stage coverage and are doing it with our own time and resources
Once at the US then they pay and I will go by their ruling
This is not me being immature this is me asking for this stuff to be organised better (the whole professional side you are asking for), to consult the streamers alot more, and for streamers like myself and v1lat that commit alot of time to stream many DOTA2 events we do, yes, expect a certain lvl of game to be cast."
Yep, well he basically said it himself. He feels as if he deserves this or some shit. Ok, let me bold this for you people that just aren't getting it. He's not getting paid, so this is not part of his job. As the "premier" Dota 2 caster right now, he absolutely SHOULD get to cast just about any game he wants at this point in the tournament considering he's doing it for free, on his own time. If Vavle was paying him, then absolutely, he would be in the wrong. They are NOT paying him for this, so he should be able to cast whatever he wants. The guy is donating 12 hours+ a day for 3 days, and you people are bashing him because he doesn't want to cast yet another rofl-stomp. Seriously? Do you guys bashing him enjoy working for free too? And not only working for free, get bashed for being a little picky at what he does for free? Really???? I just don't get it. Be glad you have dedicated casters that donate 12+ hours a day of their own time, FOR FREE, for your entertainment. Seriously, just stfu. They may not be paying him for this, but they have invited him to commentate the most prestigious Dota 2 tournament on the planet. Just because he is not being paid, it does not mean he is not receiving something from it. Its probably a good idea on his end to pull his head in and follow what valve says, even if he he complains to them privately. But yeah, witch hunting him is stupid.
From the original quote, they seem to have told him he is also free to cast by DotaTV, isn't that what he did? They told him he couldn't expectate inside the game, which makes sense, makes things much more clean and organized and avoids delays. Are people mad because he didn't do what Valve wanted or what they wanted? Don't mix those up together, it's not the same thing.
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Bottom line for Tobi is this, in my mind (this is not all immediately related to what happened yesterday, but it all ties in): you can do stuff for the community day in, day out as much as you want, but you have to maintain some awareness of how you're regarded and make some effort to improve on things that the community doesn't like about you. He had a very solid position in the English Dota-casting community coming into Dota2 and has maintained that for much of Dota2's life so far, but to my knowledge he never really solicits feedback and is usually very churlish in response to criticism (particularly of his extremely obnoxious pronunciation errors).
It would be one thing if he did everything right all the time and then Valve gave him the short end of the stick on what matches to cast, but really he's just a caster whose popularity originally stems from lack of alternatives and who is wearing out his welcome through grievous offenses against good taste and lack of awareness of/responsiveness to feedback. Other great casters (mainly Luminous and LD) are getting huge exposure from TI2 and are highly responsive to audience feedback while bringing much greater game knowledge than Tobi. I don't think Tobi understands (or at least he doesn't accept) where his popularity comes from or that there are other casters that are straightforwardly better than him.
I want to reiterate--Tobi has been a stand-up guy for this community for a long time and I appreciate the enormous hours he puts in. It's just that he could get away with consistent mediocrity before thanks to the lack of alternatives, but now there are people who are eager to have his audience. He needs to step up his game and know his place.
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On August 28 2012 21:39 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 21:32 ControlMonkey wrote:On August 28 2012 21:19 YODA_ wrote:On August 28 2012 13:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On reddit
"
To clarify some stuff, as obviously it needs to be done:
valve notifies the streamers of the matches they will cast about 24hrs before the starting time
I lodge my dispute instantly and am told the decisions will not be changed and I am free to stream using DOTA TV or cast the assigned game.
We are not being paid at all for the group stage coverage and are doing it with our own time and resources
Once at the US then they pay and I will go by their ruling
This is not me being immature this is me asking for this stuff to be organised better (the whole professional side you are asking for), to consult the streamers alot more, and for streamers like myself and v1lat that commit alot of time to stream many DOTA2 events we do, yes, expect a certain lvl of game to be cast."
Yep, well he basically said it himself. He feels as if he deserves this or some shit. Ok, let me bold this for you people that just aren't getting it. He's not getting paid, so this is not part of his job. As the "premier" Dota 2 caster right now, he absolutely SHOULD get to cast just about any game he wants at this point in the tournament considering he's doing it for free, on his own time. If Vavle was paying him, then absolutely, he would be in the wrong. They are NOT paying him for this, so he should be able to cast whatever he wants. The guy is donating 12 hours+ a day for 3 days, and you people are bashing him because he doesn't want to cast yet another rofl-stomp. Seriously? Do you guys bashing him enjoy working for free too? And not only working for free, get bashed for being a little picky at what he does for free? Really???? I just don't get it. Be glad you have dedicated casters that donate 12+ hours a day of their own time, FOR FREE, for your entertainment. Seriously, just stfu. They may not be paying him for this, but they have invited him to commentate the most prestigious Dota 2 tournament on the planet. Just because he is not being paid, it does not mean he is not receiving something from it. Its probably a good idea on his end to pull his head in and follow what valve says, even if he he complains to them privately. But yeah, witch hunting him is stupid. From the original quote, they seem to have told him he is also free to cast by DotaTV, isn't that what he did? They told him he couldn't expectate inside the game, which makes sense, makes things much more clean and organized and avoids delays. Are people mad because he didn't do what Valve wanted or what they wanted? Don't mix those up together, it's not the same thing.
Valve gave him a schedule. Tobi wasn't happy with it and said he wasn't going to follow them. Valve relented and told Tobi he can do whatever he wants. That's the latest update anyway.
About 1 hour later, Tobi came out with an apology to both Valve and the community.
Many people just interpreted it as Valve being the bigger man and not wanting to create any drama by letting Tobi not follow the schedule.
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Wait, these new international couriers are of limited time? Only until the tournament ends?
I wanted to buy the turtle thing and the drodo, Q_Q.
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The turtle and the drodo will be in the shop eventually i think. But only as normal version.
But the International versions now are special. They have time stamps of the events as well as special particle effect i think.
They are Immortal which means they will never be available again
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On August 28 2012 21:45 dtz wrote:
The turtle and the drodo will be in the shop eventually i think. But only as normal version.
But the International versions now are special. They have time stamps of the events as well as special particle effect i think.
They are Immortal which means they will never be available again
I'm not getting it. If they exist until TI2 ends how can they be immortal, what value do they have?
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On August 28 2012 21:43 dtz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 21:39 SKC wrote:On August 28 2012 21:32 ControlMonkey wrote:On August 28 2012 21:19 YODA_ wrote:On August 28 2012 13:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On reddit
"
To clarify some stuff, as obviously it needs to be done:
valve notifies the streamers of the matches they will cast about 24hrs before the starting time
I lodge my dispute instantly and am told the decisions will not be changed and I am free to stream using DOTA TV or cast the assigned game.
We are not being paid at all for the group stage coverage and are doing it with our own time and resources
Once at the US then they pay and I will go by their ruling
This is not me being immature this is me asking for this stuff to be organised better (the whole professional side you are asking for), to consult the streamers alot more, and for streamers like myself and v1lat that commit alot of time to stream many DOTA2 events we do, yes, expect a certain lvl of game to be cast."
Yep, well he basically said it himself. He feels as if he deserves this or some shit. Ok, let me bold this for you people that just aren't getting it. He's not getting paid, so this is not part of his job. As the "premier" Dota 2 caster right now, he absolutely SHOULD get to cast just about any game he wants at this point in the tournament considering he's doing it for free, on his own time. If Vavle was paying him, then absolutely, he would be in the wrong. They are NOT paying him for this, so he should be able to cast whatever he wants. The guy is donating 12 hours+ a day for 3 days, and you people are bashing him because he doesn't want to cast yet another rofl-stomp. Seriously? Do you guys bashing him enjoy working for free too? And not only working for free, get bashed for being a little picky at what he does for free? Really???? I just don't get it. Be glad you have dedicated casters that donate 12+ hours a day of their own time, FOR FREE, for your entertainment. Seriously, just stfu. They may not be paying him for this, but they have invited him to commentate the most prestigious Dota 2 tournament on the planet. Just because he is not being paid, it does not mean he is not receiving something from it. Its probably a good idea on his end to pull his head in and follow what valve says, even if he he complains to them privately. But yeah, witch hunting him is stupid. From the original quote, they seem to have told him he is also free to cast by DotaTV, isn't that what he did? They told him he couldn't expectate inside the game, which makes sense, makes things much more clean and organized and avoids delays. Are people mad because he didn't do what Valve wanted or what they wanted? Don't mix those up together, it's not the same thing. Valve gave him a schedule. Tobi wasn't happy with it and said he wasn't going to follow them. Valve relented and told Tobi he can do whatever he wants. That's the latest update anyway. About 1 hour later, Tobi came out with an apology to both Valve and the community. Many people just interpreted it as Valve being the bigger man and not wanting to create any drama by letting Tobi not follow the schedule.
But noone but Valve know if that's how it happened. Why are people butthurt in Valve's place? If Valve has an issue with the way Tobi acted, Valve can choose to do something about it. It's not like they are powerless and unable to do anything about it. Valve either thinks this isn't an issue, or that this isn't a big deal that merits any action, so why do the viewers think they know better and must act in their place? People are assuming he disrespected Valve when we have no idea about how their talk went or what Valve really want. Let them fix their issues by themself, if there's even an issue.
Also, this "mediocre caster" is bullshit. People have complained about him lack of insight for ages, but a huge amount of people still believed him to be not just a great caster, but sometimes even one of the best caster in all ESPORTS when combined with good pro players.
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On August 28 2012 21:52 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 21:45 dtz wrote:
The turtle and the drodo will be in the shop eventually i think. But only as normal version.
But the International versions now are special. They have time stamps of the events as well as special particle effect i think.
They are Immortal which means they will never be available again I'm not getting it. If they exist until TI2 ends how can they be immortal, what value do they have?
They have a timestamp to the replay where you got them from, so they are one-of-a-kind.
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On August 28 2012 21:54 ChrisXIV wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 21:52 Steveling wrote:On August 28 2012 21:45 dtz wrote:
The turtle and the drodo will be in the shop eventually i think. But only as normal version.
But the International versions now are special. They have time stamps of the events as well as special particle effect i think.
They are Immortal which means they will never be available again I'm not getting it. If they exist until TI2 ends how can they be immortal, what value do they have? They have a timestamp to the replay where you got them from, so they are one-of-a-kind.
But you can't use them ingame after TI2 right?
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On August 28 2012 21:23 Poorlilrich wrote:
Dat e-sports community...
Before this Tobi witchhunt I had never seen a single bad thing written about his personality or commentary, only high praise for his commitment to dota. Now he behaves distastefully and suddenly its all "I don't know why they even let Tobi commentate, his knowledge of the game is so sub-par" and "I've always liked Luminous/Godz/whoever else better than Tobi." Read the comments on reddit if you need proof, fucking unbelievable sheep people.
While Tobi is quite committed, plenty of people have preferred other commentators since forever. Just because you haven't seen people who don't enjoy Tobi's casting doesn't mean they don't exist =/
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On August 28 2012 21:23 Poorlilrich wrote:
Dat e-sports community...
Before this Tobi witchhunt I had never seen a single bad thing written about his personality or commentary, only high praise for his commitment to dota. Now he behaves distastefully and suddenly its all "I don't know why they even let Tobi commentate, his knowledge of the game is so sub-par" and "I've always liked Luminous/Godz/whoever else better than Tobi." Read the comments on reddit if you need proof, fucking unbelievable sheep people.
No need to read reddit, the few pages of this very thread when the drama exploded are enough examples of exactly what you wrote.
Tobi should have casted what he announced, because that was the right thing to do and people counted on it. But the hate posts in reaction to that are really sad, especially on TL.
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On August 28 2012 21:52 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 21:43 dtz wrote:On August 28 2012 21:39 SKC wrote:On August 28 2012 21:32 ControlMonkey wrote:On August 28 2012 21:19 YODA_ wrote:On August 28 2012 13:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On reddit
"
To clarify some stuff, as obviously it needs to be done:
valve notifies the streamers of the matches they will cast about 24hrs before the starting time
I lodge my dispute instantly and am told the decisions will not be changed and I am free to stream using DOTA TV or cast the assigned game.
We are not being paid at all for the group stage coverage and are doing it with our own time and resources
Once at the US then they pay and I will go by their ruling
This is not me being immature this is me asking for this stuff to be organised better (the whole professional side you are asking for), to consult the streamers alot more, and for streamers like myself and v1lat that commit alot of time to stream many DOTA2 events we do, yes, expect a certain lvl of game to be cast."
Yep, well he basically said it himself. He feels as if he deserves this or some shit. Ok, let me bold this for you people that just aren't getting it. He's not getting paid, so this is not part of his job. As the "premier" Dota 2 caster right now, he absolutely SHOULD get to cast just about any game he wants at this point in the tournament considering he's doing it for free, on his own time. If Vavle was paying him, then absolutely, he would be in the wrong. They are NOT paying him for this, so he should be able to cast whatever he wants. The guy is donating 12 hours+ a day for 3 days, and you people are bashing him because he doesn't want to cast yet another rofl-stomp. Seriously? Do you guys bashing him enjoy working for free too? And not only working for free, get bashed for being a little picky at what he does for free? Really???? I just don't get it. Be glad you have dedicated casters that donate 12+ hours a day of their own time, FOR FREE, for your entertainment. Seriously, just stfu. They may not be paying him for this, but they have invited him to commentate the most prestigious Dota 2 tournament on the planet. Just because he is not being paid, it does not mean he is not receiving something from it. Its probably a good idea on his end to pull his head in and follow what valve says, even if he he complains to them privately. But yeah, witch hunting him is stupid. From the original quote, they seem to have told him he is also free to cast by DotaTV, isn't that what he did? They told him he couldn't expectate inside the game, which makes sense, makes things much more clean and organized and avoids delays. Are people mad because he didn't do what Valve wanted or what they wanted? Don't mix those up together, it's not the same thing. Valve gave him a schedule. Tobi wasn't happy with it and said he wasn't going to follow them. Valve relented and told Tobi he can do whatever he wants. That's the latest update anyway. About 1 hour later, Tobi came out with an apology to both Valve and the community. Many people just interpreted it as Valve being the bigger man and not wanting to create any drama by letting Tobi not follow the schedule. But noone but Valve know if that's how it happened. Why are people butthurt in Valve's place? If Valve has an issue with the way Tobi acted, Valve can choose to do something about it. It's not like they are powerless and unable to do anything about it. Valve either thinks this isn't an issue, or that this isn't a big deal that merits any action, so why do the viewers think they know better and must act in their place? People are assuming he disrespected Valve when we have no idea about how their talk went or what Valve really want. Let them fix their issues by themself, if there's even an issue. Also, this "mediocre caster" is bullshit. People have complained about him lack of insight for ages, but a huge amount of people still believed him to be not just a great caster, but sometimes even one of the best caster in all ESPORTS when combined with good pro players.
Eh don't overthink it. People are upset that instead of sticking with the perfectly valid schedule in which all games will have official English casters ( in dotaTV), Tobi jumped to the Tongfu IG game instead. So, no english caster for that game but there were 2 for mtw navi. He did that the previous day as well. So if you wanna watch Tongfu IG in English, you are left hanging.
example : http://dota2.com/international/game/190 <-- no english commentary
His justification is that for experienced casters like him and vlat, the game has to be of a certain level and importance. That's quite a condescending statement to the teams and the fans of those teams. He admitted later that it was a dick move to say and do this.
That screwed up a lot. If Tobi didn't wanna be official casters, he should have told Valve beforehand so Valve can allocate other casters to make sure all the games have English streams.
Anyway, all things are settled. He will cast his allocated games and recast the other matches later on.
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Can't wait for the games to start,
1) Action packed night!
2) Take the thread away from the commentating shitstorm.
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On August 28 2012 21:57 Alur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 21:23 Poorlilrich wrote:
Dat e-sports community...
Before this Tobi witchhunt I had never seen a single bad thing written about his personality or commentary, only high praise for his commitment to dota. Now he behaves distastefully and suddenly its all "I don't know why they even let Tobi commentate, his knowledge of the game is so sub-par" and "I've always liked Luminous/Godz/whoever else better than Tobi." Read the comments on reddit if you need proof, fucking unbelievable sheep people. While Tobi is quite committed, plenty of people have preferred other commentators since forever. Just because you haven't seen people who don't enjoy Tobi's casting doesn't mean they don't exist =/
Of course they exist; I for one like watching Luminous better. But don't you think its funny that since this fiasco those same people are suddenly much more vocal about their opinion of Tobi, and their negative posts of him are getting massively upvoted on Reddit?
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On August 28 2012 21:52 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 21:43 dtz wrote:On August 28 2012 21:39 SKC wrote:On August 28 2012 21:32 ControlMonkey wrote:On August 28 2012 21:19 YODA_ wrote:On August 28 2012 13:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On reddit
"
To clarify some stuff, as obviously it needs to be done:
valve notifies the streamers of the matches they will cast about 24hrs before the starting time
I lodge my dispute instantly and am told the decisions will not be changed and I am free to stream using DOTA TV or cast the assigned game.
We are not being paid at all for the group stage coverage and are doing it with our own time and resources
Once at the US then they pay and I will go by their ruling
This is not me being immature this is me asking for this stuff to be organised better (the whole professional side you are asking for), to consult the streamers alot more, and for streamers like myself and v1lat that commit alot of time to stream many DOTA2 events we do, yes, expect a certain lvl of game to be cast."
Yep, well he basically said it himself. He feels as if he deserves this or some shit. Ok, let me bold this for you people that just aren't getting it. He's not getting paid, so this is not part of his job. As the "premier" Dota 2 caster right now, he absolutely SHOULD get to cast just about any game he wants at this point in the tournament considering he's doing it for free, on his own time. If Vavle was paying him, then absolutely, he would be in the wrong. They are NOT paying him for this, so he should be able to cast whatever he wants. The guy is donating 12 hours+ a day for 3 days, and you people are bashing him because he doesn't want to cast yet another rofl-stomp. Seriously? Do you guys bashing him enjoy working for free too? And not only working for free, get bashed for being a little picky at what he does for free? Really???? I just don't get it. Be glad you have dedicated casters that donate 12+ hours a day of their own time, FOR FREE, for your entertainment. Seriously, just stfu. They may not be paying him for this, but they have invited him to commentate the most prestigious Dota 2 tournament on the planet. Just because he is not being paid, it does not mean he is not receiving something from it. Its probably a good idea on his end to pull his head in and follow what valve says, even if he he complains to them privately. But yeah, witch hunting him is stupid. From the original quote, they seem to have told him he is also free to cast by DotaTV, isn't that what he did? They told him he couldn't expectate inside the game, which makes sense, makes things much more clean and organized and avoids delays. Are people mad because he didn't do what Valve wanted or what they wanted? Don't mix those up together, it's not the same thing. Valve gave him a schedule. Tobi wasn't happy with it and said he wasn't going to follow them. Valve relented and told Tobi he can do whatever he wants. That's the latest update anyway. About 1 hour later, Tobi came out with an apology to both Valve and the community. Many people just interpreted it as Valve being the bigger man and not wanting to create any drama by letting Tobi not follow the schedule. But noone but Valve know if that's how it happened. Why are people butthurt in Valve's place? If Valve has an issue with the way Tobi acted, Valve can choose to do something about it. It's not like they are powerless and unable to do anything about it. Valve either thinks this isn't an issue, or that this isn't a big deal that merits any action, so why do the viewers think they know better and must act in their place? People are assuming he disrespected Valve when we have no idea about how their talk went or what Valve really want. Let them fix their issues by themself, if there's even an issue. Also, this "mediocre caster" is bullshit. People have complained about him lack of insight for ages, but a huge amount of people still believed him to be not just a great caster, but sometimes even one of the best caster in all ESPORTS when combined with good pro players.
It's actually much better that the community comment on it than Valve. Valve are reliant on Tobi as THE dominant Dota 2 caster, so the community putting him in his place takes weight off their shoulders and prevents an awkward stand-off. Valve have absolutely no interest in punishing Tobi because everybody loses in that situation (Valve lose/have bad relations with a very important community member, Tobi gets punished, the community lose/see less of their most popular caster).
And the mediocre caster talk is indeed bullshit. To a certain extent it's strange that Tobi didn't get given the high profile games straight off the bat, but given the calibre of the teams at this tournament I don't think they even considered that some games just wouldn't be interesting to watch.
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On August 28 2012 22:07 Poorlilrich wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 21:57 Alur wrote:On August 28 2012 21:23 Poorlilrich wrote:
Dat e-sports community...
Before this Tobi witchhunt I had never seen a single bad thing written about his personality or commentary, only high praise for his commitment to dota. Now he behaves distastefully and suddenly its all "I don't know why they even let Tobi commentate, his knowledge of the game is so sub-par" and "I've always liked Luminous/Godz/whoever else better than Tobi." Read the comments on reddit if you need proof, fucking unbelievable sheep people. While Tobi is quite committed, plenty of people have preferred other commentators since forever. Just because you haven't seen people who don't enjoy Tobi's casting doesn't mean they don't exist =/ Of course they exist; I for one like watching Luminous better. But don't you think its funny that since this fiasco those same people are suddenly much more vocal about their opinion of Tobi, and their negative posts of him are getting massively upvoted on Reddit?
That's not funny, it's perfectly sensible. Tobi has done a lot of appalling shit over time--it stands to reason that as he does more appalling shit, there will be more and more people who realize the shit he does is appalling. Would you rather those people voice their criticisms of Tobi at times when he hasn't done anything stupid recently so that it all falls on deaf ears?
And no, the "mediocre caster talk" is not "bullshit." Tobi is dreadful in terms of game knowledge and ability to fill time. His only saving grace is good play-by-play, but even then he falls back on the same tired phrases time and again and relies too much on just being really loud--sometimes painfully or embarrassingly so--and excited. He can be tolerable with Synderen and other pros, but even then he has a very annoying tendency to ignore or try to argue with casting partners who clearly know better than he does. (See the games where Puppey casted with him 1-2 months ago)
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On August 28 2012 22:05 EchoZ wrote:
Can't wait for the games to start,
1) Action packed night!
2) Take the thread away from the commentating shitstorm.
http://www.dota2.com/international/prelims/results/
I love group stage because some dog fights will be expected today:
Navi, TF, Orange, EHome and Col have tight score in Group B
and of course Zenith EG and CLG will need to show some good games too in group A.
At this stage i really dont believe that anyone is saving any special tactic.
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On August 28 2012 22:02 dtz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 21:52 SKC wrote:On August 28 2012 21:43 dtz wrote:On August 28 2012 21:39 SKC wrote:On August 28 2012 21:32 ControlMonkey wrote:On August 28 2012 21:19 YODA_ wrote:On August 28 2012 13:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On reddit
"
To clarify some stuff, as obviously it needs to be done:
valve notifies the streamers of the matches they will cast about 24hrs before the starting time
I lodge my dispute instantly and am told the decisions will not be changed and I am free to stream using DOTA TV or cast the assigned game.
We are not being paid at all for the group stage coverage and are doing it with our own time and resources
Once at the US then they pay and I will go by their ruling
This is not me being immature this is me asking for this stuff to be organised better (the whole professional side you are asking for), to consult the streamers alot more, and for streamers like myself and v1lat that commit alot of time to stream many DOTA2 events we do, yes, expect a certain lvl of game to be cast."
Yep, well he basically said it himself. He feels as if he deserves this or some shit. Ok, let me bold this for you people that just aren't getting it. He's not getting paid, so this is not part of his job. As the "premier" Dota 2 caster right now, he absolutely SHOULD get to cast just about any game he wants at this point in the tournament considering he's doing it for free, on his own time. If Vavle was paying him, then absolutely, he would be in the wrong. They are NOT paying him for this, so he should be able to cast whatever he wants. The guy is donating 12 hours+ a day for 3 days, and you people are bashing him because he doesn't want to cast yet another rofl-stomp. Seriously? Do you guys bashing him enjoy working for free too? And not only working for free, get bashed for being a little picky at what he does for free? Really???? I just don't get it. Be glad you have dedicated casters that donate 12+ hours a day of their own time, FOR FREE, for your entertainment. Seriously, just stfu. They may not be paying him for this, but they have invited him to commentate the most prestigious Dota 2 tournament on the planet. Just because he is not being paid, it does not mean he is not receiving something from it. Its probably a good idea on his end to pull his head in and follow what valve says, even if he he complains to them privately. But yeah, witch hunting him is stupid. From the original quote, they seem to have told him he is also free to cast by DotaTV, isn't that what he did? They told him he couldn't expectate inside the game, which makes sense, makes things much more clean and organized and avoids delays. Are people mad because he didn't do what Valve wanted or what they wanted? Don't mix those up together, it's not the same thing. Valve gave him a schedule. Tobi wasn't happy with it and said he wasn't going to follow them. Valve relented and told Tobi he can do whatever he wants. That's the latest update anyway. About 1 hour later, Tobi came out with an apology to both Valve and the community. Many people just interpreted it as Valve being the bigger man and not wanting to create any drama by letting Tobi not follow the schedule. But noone but Valve know if that's how it happened. Why are people butthurt in Valve's place? If Valve has an issue with the way Tobi acted, Valve can choose to do something about it. It's not like they are powerless and unable to do anything about it. Valve either thinks this isn't an issue, or that this isn't a big deal that merits any action, so why do the viewers think they know better and must act in their place? People are assuming he disrespected Valve when we have no idea about how their talk went or what Valve really want. Let them fix their issues by themself, if there's even an issue. Also, this "mediocre caster" is bullshit. People have complained about him lack of insight for ages, but a huge amount of people still believed him to be not just a great caster, but sometimes even one of the best caster in all ESPORTS when combined with good pro players. Eh don't overthink it. People are upset that instead of sticking with the perfectly valid schedule in which all games will have official English casters ( in dotaTV), Tobi jumped to the Tongfu IG game instead. So, no english caster for that game but there were 2 for mtw navi. He did that the previous day as well. So if you wanna watch Tongfu IG in English, you are left hanging. example : http://dota2.com/international/game/190 <-- no english commentary His justification is that for experienced casters like him and vlat, the game has to be of a certain level and importance. That's quite a condescending statement to the teams and the fans of those teams. He admitted later that it was a dick move to say and do this. That screwed up a lot. If Tobi didn't wanna be official casters, he should have told Valve beforehand so Valve can allocate other casters to make sure all the games have English streams. Anyway, all things are settled. He will cast his allocated games and recast the other matches later on.
Plenty of games have no english commentary though, I was ussually watching multiple games and it was fairly common to open one that only had one russian caster, mtrx I think. Including DK vs LGD I believe, which was as good as or better than iG vs TongFu. Yet noone complained then. The issue people had was Tobi switching which game he casted, not the fact there are games without english commentary, else they would be complaining since the start of the tournament. I also don't think it was even the first time a game had multiple english casters.
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On August 28 2012 22:07 Poorlilrich wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 21:57 Alur wrote:On August 28 2012 21:23 Poorlilrich wrote:
Dat e-sports community...
Before this Tobi witchhunt I had never seen a single bad thing written about his personality or commentary, only high praise for his commitment to dota. Now he behaves distastefully and suddenly its all "I don't know why they even let Tobi commentate, his knowledge of the game is so sub-par" and "I've always liked Luminous/Godz/whoever else better than Tobi." Read the comments on reddit if you need proof, fucking unbelievable sheep people. While Tobi is quite committed, plenty of people have preferred other commentators since forever. Just because you haven't seen people who don't enjoy Tobi's casting doesn't mean they don't exist =/ Of course they exist; I for one like watching Luminous better. But don't you think its funny that since this fiasco those same people are suddenly much more vocal about their opinion of Tobi, and their negative posts of him are getting massively upvoted on Reddit?
I think it's unsurprising, but looking through the thread, most of the comments seem to be centered on the issue itself, I guess your usage of the word massive is slightly liberal, or maybe I'm just not looking in the right places.
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On August 28 2012 22:21 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 22:02 dtz wrote:On August 28 2012 21:52 SKC wrote:On August 28 2012 21:43 dtz wrote:On August 28 2012 21:39 SKC wrote:On August 28 2012 21:32 ControlMonkey wrote:On August 28 2012 21:19 YODA_ wrote:On August 28 2012 13:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On reddit
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To clarify some stuff, as obviously it needs to be done:
valve notifies the streamers of the matches they will cast about 24hrs before the starting time
I lodge my dispute instantly and am told the decisions will not be changed and I am free to stream using DOTA TV or cast the assigned game.
We are not being paid at all for the group stage coverage and are doing it with our own time and resources
Once at the US then they pay and I will go by their ruling
This is not me being immature this is me asking for this stuff to be organised better (the whole professional side you are asking for), to consult the streamers alot more, and for streamers like myself and v1lat that commit alot of time to stream many DOTA2 events we do, yes, expect a certain lvl of game to be cast."
Yep, well he basically said it himself. He feels as if he deserves this or some shit. Ok, let me bold this for you people that just aren't getting it. He's not getting paid, so this is not part of his job. As the "premier" Dota 2 caster right now, he absolutely SHOULD get to cast just about any game he wants at this point in the tournament considering he's doing it for free, on his own time. If Vavle was paying him, then absolutely, he would be in the wrong. They are NOT paying him for this, so he should be able to cast whatever he wants. The guy is donating 12 hours+ a day for 3 days, and you people are bashing him because he doesn't want to cast yet another rofl-stomp. Seriously? Do you guys bashing him enjoy working for free too? And not only working for free, get bashed for being a little picky at what he does for free? Really???? I just don't get it. Be glad you have dedicated casters that donate 12+ hours a day of their own time, FOR FREE, for your entertainment. Seriously, just stfu. They may not be paying him for this, but they have invited him to commentate the most prestigious Dota 2 tournament on the planet. Just because he is not being paid, it does not mean he is not receiving something from it. Its probably a good idea on his end to pull his head in and follow what valve says, even if he he complains to them privately. But yeah, witch hunting him is stupid. From the original quote, they seem to have told him he is also free to cast by DotaTV, isn't that what he did? They told him he couldn't expectate inside the game, which makes sense, makes things much more clean and organized and avoids delays. Are people mad because he didn't do what Valve wanted or what they wanted? Don't mix those up together, it's not the same thing. Valve gave him a schedule. Tobi wasn't happy with it and said he wasn't going to follow them. Valve relented and told Tobi he can do whatever he wants. That's the latest update anyway. About 1 hour later, Tobi came out with an apology to both Valve and the community. Many people just interpreted it as Valve being the bigger man and not wanting to create any drama by letting Tobi not follow the schedule. But noone but Valve know if that's how it happened. Why are people butthurt in Valve's place? If Valve has an issue with the way Tobi acted, Valve can choose to do something about it. It's not like they are powerless and unable to do anything about it. Valve either thinks this isn't an issue, or that this isn't a big deal that merits any action, so why do the viewers think they know better and must act in their place? People are assuming he disrespected Valve when we have no idea about how their talk went or what Valve really want. Let them fix their issues by themself, if there's even an issue. Also, this "mediocre caster" is bullshit. People have complained about him lack of insight for ages, but a huge amount of people still believed him to be not just a great caster, but sometimes even one of the best caster in all ESPORTS when combined with good pro players. Eh don't overthink it. People are upset that instead of sticking with the perfectly valid schedule in which all games will have official English casters ( in dotaTV), Tobi jumped to the Tongfu IG game instead. So, no english caster for that game but there were 2 for mtw navi. He did that the previous day as well. So if you wanna watch Tongfu IG in English, you are left hanging. example : http://dota2.com/international/game/190 <-- no english commentary His justification is that for experienced casters like him and vlat, the game has to be of a certain level and importance. That's quite a condescending statement to the teams and the fans of those teams. He admitted later that it was a dick move to say and do this. That screwed up a lot. If Tobi didn't wanna be official casters, he should have told Valve beforehand so Valve can allocate other casters to make sure all the games have English streams. Anyway, all things are settled. He will cast his allocated games and recast the other matches later on. Plenty of games have no english commentary though, I was ussually watching multiple games and it was fairly common to open one that only had one russian caster, mtrx I think. Including DK vs LGD I believe, which was as good as or better than iG vs TongFu. Yet noone complained then. The issue people had was Tobi switching which game he casted, not the fact there are games without english commentary, else they would be complaining since the start of the tournament. I also don't think it was even the first time a game had multiple english casters.
I don't believe that there were "plenty" of games without English commentary; feel free to prove me wrong though. Purge, GoDz, Nebula and 2GD had stepped in to cast games that were left without a caster. IIRC first aL games had no English commentary in-game though, with TriumphofMan casting from his stream until he arranged to be within DotaTV with Sheever.
It wasn't the first time a game had multiple English casters in-game because, as the person you are responding to said, Tobi did the same thing the previous day. At the time, people didn't exactly know why Tobi wasn't casting the game, one rumour in the chat I was allocated was that he was having technical issues.
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