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On August 28 2012 15:33 dtz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 15:21 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Who are your top five underperformers? I'd say, in no real order, Hao, Dendi, rOtk, Fear and Zenith. On the other hand, Ferrari, ChuaN, xiao8 (BEST CHINA SPECTER STILL) and all of coL have been really, really good. hyhy.hao.demon.fear. Dendi were really outclassed yesterday especially against orange. And it completely exposed him because it was mirror matchups too. Being destroyed by mushi as invoker against qop. And then actually losing as qop against invoker to yamateh. Won't call it underperforming to lose against Y-God and Mushi respectively though.
yamateh played invoker i think... mushi holds hard carry on orange.
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On August 28 2012 16:12 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 15:33 dtz wrote:On August 28 2012 15:21 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Who are your top five underperformers? I'd say, in no real order, Hao, Dendi, rOtk, Fear and Zenith. On the other hand, Ferrari, ChuaN, xiao8 (BEST CHINA SPECTER STILL) and all of coL have been really, really good. hyhy.hao.demon.fear. Dendi were really outclassed yesterday especially against orange. And it completely exposed him because it was mirror matchups too. Being destroyed by mushi as invoker against qop. And then actually losing as qop against invoker to yamateh. Won't call it underperforming to lose against Y-God and Mushi respectively though. yamateh played invoker i think... mushi holds hard carry on orange.
Yeah, mushi is pretty much their designated carry/insane farmer.
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On August 28 2012 16:12 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 15:33 dtz wrote:On August 28 2012 15:21 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Who are your top five underperformers? I'd say, in no real order, Hao, Dendi, rOtk, Fear and Zenith. On the other hand, Ferrari, ChuaN, xiao8 (BEST CHINA SPECTER STILL) and all of coL have been really, really good. hyhy.hao.demon.fear. Dendi were really outclassed yesterday especially against orange. And it completely exposed him because it was mirror matchups too. Being destroyed by mushi as invoker against qop. And then actually losing as qop against invoker to yamateh. Won't call it underperforming to lose against Y-God and Mushi respectively though. yamateh played invoker i think... mushi holds hard carry on orange.
Yup that's what i said. Yamateh was invoker. Mushi was qop. I did word them confusingly though lol.
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On August 28 2012 16:12 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 15:33 dtz wrote:On August 28 2012 15:21 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Who are your top five underperformers? I'd say, in no real order, Hao, Dendi, rOtk, Fear and Zenith. On the other hand, Ferrari, ChuaN, xiao8 (BEST CHINA SPECTER STILL) and all of coL have been really, really good. hyhy.hao.demon.fear. Dendi were really outclassed yesterday especially against orange. And it completely exposed him because it was mirror matchups too. Being destroyed by mushi as invoker against qop. And then actually losing as qop against invoker to yamateh. Won't call it underperforming to lose against Y-God and Mushi respectively though. yamateh played invoker i think... mushi holds hard carry on orange.
He's saying that in the first game, Dendi played Invoker and got destroyed by Mushi who was playing QoP. Then in the second game Dendi was playing QoP and got stomped by Yamateh's Invoker.
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Wooow jesus christ reddit is retarded, I leave the internet for 3 hours and come back and they've turned into witchhunting tobi what the hell
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On August 28 2012 16:06 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 16:03 PHILtheTANK wrote:On August 28 2012 15:33 dtz wrote:On August 28 2012 15:21 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Who are your top five underperformers? I'd say, in no real order, Hao, Dendi, rOtk, Fear and Zenith. On the other hand, Ferrari, ChuaN, xiao8 (BEST CHINA SPECTER STILL) and all of coL have been really, really good. hyhy.hao.demon.fear. Dendi were really outclassed yesterday especially against orange. And it completely exposed him because it was mirror matchups too. Being destroyed by mushi as invoker against qop. And then actually losing as qop against invoker to yamateh. Won't call it underperforming to lose against Y-God and Mushi respectively though. I thought that fear, and especially Demon really stepped it up in their last 2 series today. I didn't see those games. In the ones I watched yesterday, Fear was farming when he should have been in teamfights, like all the damn time. He played pretty similarly to an angry raging pub player.
EG pretty much rolled through M5 and Mouz, alot of that having to deal with Demon's play, especially his offlane bounty hunter.
Also that complexity video is pretty damn awesome.
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*Chinese teams to the rest of the world at T2 prelims*
"THE FUN ENDS HERE!!!!!!!!"
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I think where your analogy falls apart is that Tobi is making money from the games, even if Valve isn't paying him directly. He's streaming them himself though own3d.tv and getting the ad revenue. Valve is providing him a product, which he's turning into ad sales. Without the games, he doesn't have a way to get the ad revenue.
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On August 28 2012 16:22 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
I think where your analogy falls apart is that Tobi is making money from the games, even if Valve isn't paying him directly. He's streaming them himself though own3d.tv and getting the ad revenue. Valve is providing him a product, which he's turning into ad sales. Without the games, he doesn't have a way to get the ad revenue.
Indeed...And if he doesn't like Casting these Games then he should stop casting everything...Instead he starts casting the games in which he was Interested and still gets over 10K+ views on his Stream leaving his designated games without an english caster..That's Selfish above all things.
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Final match analysis for tomorrow's games:
Each team plays 1 series only, bo2
LGD vs Mouz
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Either way, a 2-0, 1-1, or 0-2 for LGD would mean LGD head onto winners side and Mouz would go to losers. Mouz may move off the bottom with a win or draw, but LGD would remain top of the table even with a 2-0 loss.
Importance 1/5 for either team
Zenith vs AL
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If Zenith wins 2-0 and DK loses 0-2, they will be tied for 2/3 in table. Should Zenith lose, they cannot be knocked into losers bracket as EG is facing CLG, but they can be put into a 3 way tiebreak if they lose 2-0 and EG draws with CLG. 2 of the 3 tied teams would advance to winners.
AL are doomed to be in losers as even if they win 2-0, EG vs CLG would not affect their fate.
Importance 4/5 for Zenith, 1/5 for AL
DK vs M5
+ Show Spoiler +Essentially the same as LGD Mouz, only difference being DK could tie with Zenith for 2nd and 3rd, but would still be in winners.
Importance 2/5 for LGD, 1/5 for M5
EG vs CLG
+ Show Spoiler +The biggest game potentially for this group, if either team wins 2-0 they will qualify in winners. A draw would ensure a tiebreaker, either between these 2 teams, or if Zenith Loses, these 2 teams and Zenith in a 3 way deathmatch.
Importance 5/5 for both
Navi vs TongFu / Orange vs Ehome
+ Show Spoiler +Its almost like valve planned this all along, conspiracy much?
all four teams are tied at 6-6 Should 2 teams win 2-0, those 2 would be through in winners. Should all teams draw 1-1, There will be tiebreakers between at least 4 teams. Should coL lose 0-2, there will be a 5 way tiebreaker for 3 spots.
Should 1 team win 2-0 and the other team draw, there will be a 3 way tiebreaker if coL loses 0-2 for 2 winners spot. If not there will be a 2 way tiebreak for the last winners spot.
Importance 5/5 for TongFu Orange and Ehome, 9001/5 for Navi to show that they are champions who can come back from a bad start
iG vs MTW
+ Show Spoiler +iG will be first in the group regardless, and MTW will be among the last 2 at the end of the day.
Nothing much of importance here 1/5
coL vs Darer
+ Show Spoiler +coL needs to avoid losing 0-2 to avoid possible tiebreakers, a 1-1 draw would ensure winners bracket. Unfortunately for Darer they share the same fate as MTW.
4/5 for coL 1/5 for Darer.
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On August 28 2012 16:16 Taku wrote:
Wooow jesus christ reddit is retarded, I leave the internet for 3 hours and come back and they've turned into witchhunting tobi what the hell
eh it was kind of founded and fair complaints, tobi later admitted that he had done wrong and agreed with reddit and apologized.
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Where the fuck have Valve hidden the list of played matches within the client? I want to watch replays but the tournament page's layout is really retarded.
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On the 'Shedule' tab you can click 'View' in the 'match Page' column for whichever game, on the following page it will have a button to watch replay
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On August 28 2012 18:06 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 16:16 Taku wrote:
Wooow jesus christ reddit is retarded, I leave the internet for 3 hours and come back and they've turned into witchhunting tobi what the hell eh it was kind of founded and fair complaints, tobi later admitted that he had done wrong and agreed with reddit and apologized.
You're such a bandwagoning non-blind eye turning witchhunter, omg I thought TL was better than this, not fucking jumping on karma train bandwagon other.
#WakeUpSheeple #KillingEsports #HitlerDidNothingWrong
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On August 28 2012 18:44 Alur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 18:06 L3g3nd_ wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Taku wrote:
Wooow jesus christ reddit is retarded, I leave the internet for 3 hours and come back and they've turned into witchhunting tobi what the hell eh it was kind of founded and fair complaints, tobi later admitted that he had done wrong and agreed with reddit and apologized. You're such a bandwagoning non-blind eye turning witchhunter, omg I thought TL was better than this, not fucking jumping on karma train bandwagon other. #WakeUpSheeple #KillingEsports #HitlerDidNothingWrong LOL good post
I actually felt like valve was already giving tobi some of the most high-profile matches. And the weirdest thing is that tongfu vs ig is a huge match, it's just two chinese teams so tobi wasn't interested. If it was navi vs something he'd be perfectly happy. So if I'm right, valve gave him a big match and humored him anyway, but he was just too dumb to understand.
Also his cocaster is horrible, but i'm sure thats been addressed.
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On August 28 2012 18:44 Alur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 18:06 L3g3nd_ wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Taku wrote:
Wooow jesus christ reddit is retarded, I leave the internet for 3 hours and come back and they've turned into witchhunting tobi what the hell eh it was kind of founded and fair complaints, tobi later admitted that he had done wrong and agreed with reddit and apologized. You're such a bandwagoning non-blind eye turning witchhunter, omg I thought TL was better than this, not fucking jumping on karma train bandwagon other. #WakeUpSheeple #KillingEsports #HitlerDidNothingWrong
Yep, perfect example of a bandwagon post xD
Most of you admit you don't watch Tobi's casts, that you always disliked him, then you get your pitchforks when he doesn't cast a game that you'd obviously wouldn't have watched.
You base yourself on intellectually dishonest arguments (at least 90% of the posts about this), but it's ok because you're a bandwagon, nobody will notice. Really, it's Tobi's job ? I didn't knew that if you had a 5 days a year contract it allowed your boss to tell you what to do for the other 360 years "because you're an employee". You all use arguments that you would fight in any other context.
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On August 28 2012 18:55 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 18:44 Alur wrote:On August 28 2012 18:06 L3g3nd_ wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Taku wrote:
Wooow jesus christ reddit is retarded, I leave the internet for 3 hours and come back and they've turned into witchhunting tobi what the hell eh it was kind of founded and fair complaints, tobi later admitted that he had done wrong and agreed with reddit and apologized. You're such a bandwagoning non-blind eye turning witchhunter, omg I thought TL was better than this, not fucking jumping on karma train bandwagon other. #WakeUpSheeple #KillingEsports #HitlerDidNothingWrong Yep, perfect example of bandwagon post xD Most of you admit you don't watch Tobi's casts, that you always disliked him, then you get your pitchforks when he doesn't cast a game that you'd obviously wouldn't have watched. You base yourself on intellectually dishonest arguments (at least 90% of the posts about this), but it's ok because you're a bandwagon, nobody will notice. Really, it's Tobi's job ? I didn't knew that if you had a 5 days a year contract it allowed your boss to tell you what to do for the other 360 years "because you're an employee". You all use arguments that you would fight in any other context.
I think people wouldn't hesitate to call out anyone if they did something like this, be it Tobi, Day[9] or whoever else. In addition I don't really understand how your analogy is applicable (even if we assume you meant 360 days). But I suppose I'm just being intellectually dishonest like most people on here.
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Imagine you're watching the UEFA euro 2012 and one of the announcers just refuses to go to a game because it's germany vs ireland, no way that ireland will win
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Been reading the past few pages in this thread, quite interesting really, even with NB's heroics 
Anyway, I wish 2009's cast dont lag that much ):
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On August 28 2012 19:10 Alur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 18:55 MrCon wrote:On August 28 2012 18:44 Alur wrote:On August 28 2012 18:06 L3g3nd_ wrote:On August 28 2012 16:16 Taku wrote:
Wooow jesus christ reddit is retarded, I leave the internet for 3 hours and come back and they've turned into witchhunting tobi what the hell eh it was kind of founded and fair complaints, tobi later admitted that he had done wrong and agreed with reddit and apologized. You're such a bandwagoning non-blind eye turning witchhunter, omg I thought TL was better than this, not fucking jumping on karma train bandwagon other. #WakeUpSheeple #KillingEsports #HitlerDidNothingWrong Yep, perfect example of bandwagon post xD Most of you admit you don't watch Tobi's casts, that you always disliked him, then you get your pitchforks when he doesn't cast a game that you'd obviously wouldn't have watched. You base yourself on intellectually dishonest arguments (at least 90% of the posts about this), but it's ok because you're a bandwagon, nobody will notice. Really, it's Tobi's job ? I didn't knew that if you had a 5 days a year contract it allowed your boss to tell you what to do for the other 360 years "because you're an employee". You all use arguments that you would fight in any other context. I think people wouldn't hesitate to call out anyone if they did something like this, be it Tobi, Day[9] or whoever else. In addition I don't really understand how your analogy is applicable (even if we assume you meant 360 days). But I suppose I'm just being intellectually dishonest like most people on here.
Ok sorry I exaggerated, so even 1 day is ok I guess. It's not an analogy, it's exactly what is happening. Tobi is contracted for 5 days of casting. The prelim casts are not payed by Valve.
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