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On November 12 2012 21:38 Linwelin wrote:
I swear to god every LR thread is Azarkon vs the world
Sometimes Shyko gives him a hand.
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On November 12 2012 21:38 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 21:35 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:34 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:28 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:26 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:25 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:23 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:17 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:14 SirMilford wrote:
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PL is countered by the AOE from luna/tide/rubick to hard.
It isn't a case of PL vs Void, void is a good pick considering this lineup! PL is a decent counter AGAINST Luna, because till Luna gets up big items, his images tank her auto attack just fine and they eat up Eclipse charges. PL is garbage in teamfights until he gets massive items. DK would've gotten double-raxed after those early fights instead of just losing T3 tower and got creamed even harder even earlier. Void was the only one keeping them in the game. PL would've lost them the game with 99.9% certainty. Haha what? Void is the CAUSE of the IG comeback. Do you really think iG wouldn't have been able to come back without stealing chrono? I know that Chuan landed TWO Chronos that won IG TWO team fights in mid game when they were behind. Everything else is sheer imagination. Your idea of using PL instead of Void to stall out the game long enough to be won by DK is just your imagination at work. You know that PL doesn't HAVE to go Radiance, correct? Sure, just walk in with Diffusal Blade or Manta Style. See how much damage you can do in the teamfight. It'll definitely be a lot more than Void with chrono. You understand that Void does not just jump in and Chrono vs. a team that has Rubick, correct? You know that PL is able to spam his nuke and never commit while burning the opponent's mana, while Void has no ability to do damage except when he commits with his ult? Void is a hero that has zero ways to delay / stall / harass.
So wait. In a crazy team fight where iG is diving you and throwing ravages and killing everyone in about 5 seconds you're gonna try and sit there and throw nukes at them with just a diffusal farmed up? What is that gonna do exactly for a team fight? You have nothing in the mid game that can help you against heavy aggression except a split push.
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Canada2068 Posts
On November 12 2012 21:38 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 21:35 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:34 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:28 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:26 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:25 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:23 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:17 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:14 SirMilford wrote:
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PL is countered by the AOE from luna/tide/rubick to hard.
It isn't a case of PL vs Void, void is a good pick considering this lineup! PL is a decent counter AGAINST Luna, because till Luna gets up big items, his images tank her auto attack just fine and they eat up Eclipse charges. PL is garbage in teamfights until he gets massive items. DK would've gotten double-raxed after those early fights instead of just losing T3 tower and got creamed even harder even earlier. Void was the only one keeping them in the game. PL would've lost them the game with 99.9% certainty. Haha what? Void is the CAUSE of the IG comeback. Do you really think iG wouldn't have been able to come back without stealing chrono? I know that Chuan landed TWO Chronos that won IG TWO team fights in mid game when they were behind. Everything else is sheer imagination. Your idea of using PL instead of Void to stall out the game long enough to be won by DK is just your imagination at work. You know that PL doesn't HAVE to go Radiance, correct? Sure, just walk in with Diffusal Blade or Manta Style. See how much damage you can do in the teamfight. It'll definitely be a lot more than Void with chrono. You understand that Void does not just jump in and Chrono vs. a team that has Rubick, correct? You know that PL is able to spam his nuke and never commit while burning the opponent's mana, while Void has no ability to do damage except when he commits with his ult? Void is a hero that has zero ways to delay / stall / harass.
Can't tell if trolling...
edit: If you are not, I think we disagree on too much to engage in meaningful discussion.
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
lol nvm game already starting, vods will wait
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United States47024 Posts
On November 12 2012 21:39 Enzymatic wrote:
I dunno why BurNing doesn't go MoM after battle fury.. Its insanely cost effective, all he had to do was make sure he hit WR in his chronospheres.
because MoM gives you zero ability to fight outside of your ultimate, and BKB is more or less a requirement teamfighting into Shackleshot, Eclipse, Ravage, Crippling Fear, Telekinesis, and whatever else Rubick steals.
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On November 12 2012 21:38 CountChocula wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 21:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:On November 12 2012 21:35 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:34 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:28 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:26 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:25 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:23 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:17 Azarkon wrote:
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PL is a decent counter AGAINST Luna, because till Luna gets up big items, his images tank her auto attack just fine and they eat up Eclipse charges. PL is garbage in teamfights until he gets massive items. DK would've gotten double-raxed after those early fights instead of just losing T3 tower and got creamed even harder even earlier. Void was the only one keeping them in the game. PL would've lost them the game with 99.9% certainty. Haha what? Void is the CAUSE of the IG comeback. Do you really think iG wouldn't have been able to come back without stealing chrono? I know that Chuan landed TWO Chronos that won IG TWO team fights in mid game when they were behind. Everything else is sheer imagination. Your idea of using PL instead of Void to stall out the game long enough to be won by DK is just your imagination at work. You know that PL doesn't HAVE to go Radiance, correct? Sure, just walk in with Diffusal Blade or Manta Style. I'm sure iG will stand and watch as you teamwipe them. It'll definitely be a lot more than Void with chrono. Not only that but you just can't unless the rest of your team has amazing team fight presence and can protect you 100%. PL with diffusal? You're gonna die if they focus you instantly and your illusions do shit alone at that level of farm. Yeah, picking PL against mass AoE is retarded unless you're a masochist and enjoy punishment.
PL is the best image hero in the game vs. spell based AoE because of the speed at which he GENERATES images. Every other image hero has to deal with long cooldowns on their image producing abilities. PL alone is the one who generates additional images through the course of a fight.
But obviously this escapes your understanding of the hero, which is one of the best heroes in this version. Well, I won't bother further. Keep thinking Void vs. Rubick is a great idea.
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On November 12 2012 21:41 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 21:38 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:On November 12 2012 21:35 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:34 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:28 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:26 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:25 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:23 CountChocula wrote:
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PL is garbage in teamfights until he gets massive items. DK would've gotten double-raxed after those early fights instead of just losing T3 tower and got creamed even harder even earlier. Void was the only one keeping them in the game. PL would've lost them the game with 99.9% certainty. Haha what? Void is the CAUSE of the IG comeback. Do you really think iG wouldn't have been able to come back without stealing chrono? I know that Chuan landed TWO Chronos that won IG TWO team fights in mid game when they were behind. Everything else is sheer imagination. Your idea of using PL instead of Void to stall out the game long enough to be won by DK is just your imagination at work. You know that PL doesn't HAVE to go Radiance, correct? Sure, just walk in with Diffusal Blade or Manta Style. I'm sure iG will stand and watch as you teamwipe them. It'll definitely be a lot more than Void with chrono. Not only that but you just can't unless the rest of your team has amazing team fight presence and can protect you 100%. PL with diffusal? You're gonna die if they focus you instantly and your illusions do shit alone at that level of farm. Yeah, picking PL against mass AoE is retarded unless you're a masochist and enjoy punishment. PL is the best image hero in the game vs. spell based AoE because of the speed at which he GENERATES images. Every other image hero has to deal with long cooldowns on their image producing abilities. PL alone is the one who generates additional images through the course of a fight. But obviously this escapes your understanding of the hero, which is one of the best heroes in this version. Well, I won't bother further.
Well, apparently it escapes DK and every other pro team too.
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
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On November 12 2012 21:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 21:41 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:38 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:On November 12 2012 21:35 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:34 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:28 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:26 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:25 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:24 Azarkon wrote:
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Haha what? Void is the CAUSE of the IG comeback. Do you really think iG wouldn't have been able to come back without stealing chrono? I know that Chuan landed TWO Chronos that won IG TWO team fights in mid game when they were behind. Everything else is sheer imagination. Your idea of using PL instead of Void to stall out the game long enough to be won by DK is just your imagination at work. You know that PL doesn't HAVE to go Radiance, correct? Sure, just walk in with Diffusal Blade or Manta Style. I'm sure iG will stand and watch as you teamwipe them. It'll definitely be a lot more than Void with chrono. Not only that but you just can't unless the rest of your team has amazing team fight presence and can protect you 100%. PL with diffusal? You're gonna die if they focus you instantly and your illusions do shit alone at that level of farm. Yeah, picking PL against mass AoE is retarded unless you're a masochist and enjoy punishment. PL is the best image hero in the game vs. spell based AoE because of the speed at which he GENERATES images. Every other image hero has to deal with long cooldowns on their image producing abilities. PL alone is the one who generates additional images through the course of a fight. But obviously this escapes your understanding of the hero, which is one of the best heroes in this version. Well, I won't bother further. Well, apparently it escapes DK and every other pro team too.
It won't escape every other pro team.
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Canada2068 Posts
On November 12 2012 21:41 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 21:38 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:On November 12 2012 21:35 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:34 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:28 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:26 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:25 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:23 CountChocula wrote:
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PL is garbage in teamfights until he gets massive items. DK would've gotten double-raxed after those early fights instead of just losing T3 tower and got creamed even harder even earlier. Void was the only one keeping them in the game. PL would've lost them the game with 99.9% certainty. Haha what? Void is the CAUSE of the IG comeback. Do you really think iG wouldn't have been able to come back without stealing chrono? I know that Chuan landed TWO Chronos that won IG TWO team fights in mid game when they were behind. Everything else is sheer imagination. Your idea of using PL instead of Void to stall out the game long enough to be won by DK is just your imagination at work. You know that PL doesn't HAVE to go Radiance, correct? Sure, just walk in with Diffusal Blade or Manta Style. I'm sure iG will stand and watch as you teamwipe them. It'll definitely be a lot more than Void with chrono. Not only that but you just can't unless the rest of your team has amazing team fight presence and can protect you 100%. PL with diffusal? You're gonna die if they focus you instantly and your illusions do shit alone at that level of farm. Yeah, picking PL against mass AoE is retarded unless you're a masochist and enjoy punishment. PL is the best image hero in the game vs. spell based AoE because of the speed at which he GENERATES images. Every other image hero has to deal with long cooldowns on their image producing abilities. PL alone is the one who generates additional images through the course of a fight. But obviously this escapes your understanding of the hero, which is one of the best heroes in this version. Well, I won't bother further. Keep thinking Void vs. Rubick is a great idea.
Nice strawman. I never said Void is a "great idea", but it's better than PL who does jackshit.
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lol godz. So thankful that LD and him are casted so many asian tournaments. Awesome stuff.
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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On November 12 2012 21:39 Enzymatic wrote:
I dunno why BurNing doesn't go MoM after battle fury on Void.. Its insanely cost effective, all he had to do was make sure he hit WR in his chronospheres.
Instead of bkb? As opposed to missing nightstalker (fear), rubick (telekinesis), luna (eclipse damage), tide (ravage)? He should not have gone battle fury, if he went bkb first with even some wraith bands, he can win those midgame fights.
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On November 12 2012 21:42 CountChocula wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 21:41 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:38 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:On November 12 2012 21:35 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:34 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:28 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:26 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:25 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:24 Azarkon wrote:
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Haha what? Void is the CAUSE of the IG comeback. Do you really think iG wouldn't have been able to come back without stealing chrono? I know that Chuan landed TWO Chronos that won IG TWO team fights in mid game when they were behind. Everything else is sheer imagination. Your idea of using PL instead of Void to stall out the game long enough to be won by DK is just your imagination at work. You know that PL doesn't HAVE to go Radiance, correct? Sure, just walk in with Diffusal Blade or Manta Style. I'm sure iG will stand and watch as you teamwipe them. It'll definitely be a lot more than Void with chrono. Not only that but you just can't unless the rest of your team has amazing team fight presence and can protect you 100%. PL with diffusal? You're gonna die if they focus you instantly and your illusions do shit alone at that level of farm. Yeah, picking PL against mass AoE is retarded unless you're a masochist and enjoy punishment. PL is the best image hero in the game vs. spell based AoE because of the speed at which he GENERATES images. Every other image hero has to deal with long cooldowns on their image producing abilities. PL alone is the one who generates additional images through the course of a fight. But obviously this escapes your understanding of the hero, which is one of the best heroes in this version. Well, I won't bother further. Keep thinking Void vs. Rubick is a great idea. Nice strawman. I never said Void is a "great idea", but it's better than PL who does jackshit.
PL does jackshit *boggle*. Okay dude, you win.
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Can Dk show a new surprising strat to win game 3? :o
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On November 12 2012 21:41 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 21:38 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:On November 12 2012 21:35 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:34 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:28 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:26 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:25 CountChocula wrote:On November 12 2012 21:24 Azarkon wrote:On November 12 2012 21:23 CountChocula wrote:
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PL is garbage in teamfights until he gets massive items. DK would've gotten double-raxed after those early fights instead of just losing T3 tower and got creamed even harder even earlier. Void was the only one keeping them in the game. PL would've lost them the game with 99.9% certainty. Haha what? Void is the CAUSE of the IG comeback. Do you really think iG wouldn't have been able to come back without stealing chrono? I know that Chuan landed TWO Chronos that won IG TWO team fights in mid game when they were behind. Everything else is sheer imagination. Your idea of using PL instead of Void to stall out the game long enough to be won by DK is just your imagination at work. You know that PL doesn't HAVE to go Radiance, correct? Sure, just walk in with Diffusal Blade or Manta Style. I'm sure iG will stand and watch as you teamwipe them. It'll definitely be a lot more than Void with chrono. Not only that but you just can't unless the rest of your team has amazing team fight presence and can protect you 100%. PL with diffusal? You're gonna die if they focus you instantly and your illusions do shit alone at that level of farm. Yeah, picking PL against mass AoE is retarded unless you're a masochist and enjoy punishment. PL is the best image hero in the game vs. spell based AoE because of the speed at which he GENERATES images. Every other image hero has to deal with long cooldowns on their image producing abilities. PL alone is the one who generates additional images through the course of a fight. But obviously this escapes your understanding of the hero, which is one of the best heroes in this version. Well, I won't bother further. Keep thinking Void vs. Rubick is a great idea.
Er you don't pick void for image producing capabilities. Noone ever said rubick vs void was a great idea, mearly it would work better than a PL against that lineup.
Honestly have you ever played PL verse any aoe? Do you even play dota?
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Sanya12364 Posts
Storm Naix!!
PS: Can people arguing with Azar. Seriously stop messing up the Live Thread
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
Azarkon dragging yet another thread down into the mud? Colour me surprised...
iG once again picking up a necro, and woo a storm from DK =)
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
is there a filter here so you can block out a certain user's posts in the thread?
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