EPTIt doesn't if you use bouncers. I've always assumed it was basic internet hygiene to do so.
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qyk05328
Germany635 Posts
It doesn't if you use bouncers. I've always assumed it was basic internet hygiene to do so. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On April 16 2013 17:30 Kipsate wrote: Skype is as useful as how many other people are using it, if you are not then you are missing an important communication tool with tournament organizers etc. The whole scene will have to switch to something not Skype and that is not that easy. I assume everyone in the scene has Gmail... I mean, it's not like this is a new issue. SC2 scene was dealing this before the DotA2 beta broke out. People should've adjusted to Skype's vulnerabilities 2 years ago but because everyone keeps saying, "it's too difficult to do", we haven't and this continues. This perpetual argument is terrible. Using a different chat client/protocol is incredibly easy. The teams just have to disseminate that information but in no way is this a difficult process. Do you want to be easily exposed to DDoS'ing or not? Do you want your tournaments to be postponed or not? Managers make a list of your team's gmail accounts and give them to tourney admins instead of Skype. Or tourney admins make it a requirement to be in your tournament. The only advantage of Skype is that people are currently using it. The disadvantage to Skype (besides it becoming a terrible, bloated program) is that you're vulnerable to asshats who want to stop you from making money. This should be a no-brainer. Aui's issue might've been from Steam, but this is just in general for everyone in ESPORTS. The only situation I can think of is if you're doing a web show like SoTG or MAAD, but even then there's other options. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Someone needs to take initiative and choose an alternative first though, and that's not happening. | ||
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Adrian_mx
Mexico1880 Posts
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Jotoco
Brazil1342 Posts
On April 17 2013 01:52 teapoted wrote: All you need is 1 tournament and 3-4 teams to refuse to use Skype for anything and there you go, switch has been made. Someone needs to take initiative and choose an alternative first though, and that's not happening. All it takes is a team like EG suggesting a move to RaidCall and everyone will bitch it is because of the sponsor and other teams will refuse to use it for whatever, admins might think it is not a good idea, etc etc etc. Any other program could be met with similar problems. | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Hell, you can throw away what I said last, every tournament could use whatever software they want and then tell teams "if you want to play in this tournament we will contact you through xyz". Would it be annoying? Yes, but it isn't impossible. And if it's really that difficult for people to contact eachother and they can't agree on any systems, then just ask the community and over a weekend you can have a basic white-label social network built with chat and scheduling tools and then people use whatever voice-com software they want. Of all the things that need to be fixed to mitigate DDoS, this is the simplest one. | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
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GoDz
Australia364 Posts
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
Chances are people will choose to stick with Facebook even if there are other social networks with better features (google+ maybe) because everyone already uses Facebook. DDOS attacks can be circumvented and you can still use Skype without them finding your IP if you connect through a proxy. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On April 17 2013 23:10 teapoted wrote: Mind explaining how exactly skype is the best program for what it's being used for in players? I don't know about best but in terms of competitive games, if it weren't for DDOS there isn't anything wrong with Skype. It's voice quality is completely fine, it doesn't have any noticible hits on latency or CPU and it's relatively free of any hassles for the most part. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On April 17 2013 23:39 Kuroeeah wrote: Do people honestly expect every single player to do this? What about when amateur tournaments start being hit? What about when some guy has to play from a different computer? What about the person who just does it wrong or forgets? What about stand-ins?DDOS attacks can be circumvented and you can still use Skype without them finding your IP if you connect through a proxy. It's such a bad solution that might work in 1v1 or for casters, but it will never be a reliable solution for a 5v5 game where the scene depends on online tournaments. Chances are people will choose to stick with Facebook even if there are other social networks with better features (google+ maybe) because everyone already uses Facebook. I'm not arguing why they use it currently. | ||
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On April 17 2013 23:51 teapoted wrote: Do people honestly expect every single player to do this? What about when amateur tournaments start being hit? What about when some guy has to play from a different computer? What about the person who just does it wrong or forgets? It's such a bad solution. ...it's the same as every other solution, people can always fuck it up. When you can only get the IP of 1 in every 50 players from skype people will stop wasting their time trying. A more worrying issue is that, as was said on the gd show, there are so many potential sources for getting an IP that someone dedicated can almost always do it. The fact that people like Destiny stopped getting ddos'd when they protected their skype just kinda shows that the people likely to do this aren't particularly able/dedicated; if the majority of players protected their skype with VPS (and the steam/dota related issues get fixed) it'll probably die down. Think of it this way - protecting your skype and stopping the use of skype are functionally the same. Either one is going to have the odd player who fucks it up. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Think of it this way - protecting your skype and stopping the use of skype achieve the same thing You missed the entire point of my post. You're not going to protect everyone's skype. And people will probably still get DDoS'ed to some degree even without skype as the source, but the point is then you just eliminate that possibility.What's more difficult here, every new person that comes into the scene needs to protect their skype or people get some new fucking software? You're right, most of the people that are involved in this shit aren't going to be so dedicated to go much further. But would they go far enough to say "there's a stand-in, he probably hasn't set his shit up". There you go, match ruined. Next please. Someone didn't configure properly or forgot to? Match ruined. Next. Come on people, this is just silly. If people want to protect their skype, delete it. | ||
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On April 18 2013 00:04 teapoted wrote: You missed the entire point of my post. You're not going to protect everyone's skype. And people will probably still get DDoS'ed to some degree even without skype as the source, but the point is then you just eliminate that possibility. What's more difficult here, every new person that comes into the scene needs to protect their skype or people get some new fucking software? You're right, most of the people that are involved in this shit aren't going to be so dedicated to go much further. But would they go far enough to say "there's a stand-in, he probably hasn't set his shit up". There you go, match ruined. Next please. Someone didn't configure properly or forgot to? Match ruined. Next. Come on people, this is just silly. If people want to protect their skype, delete it. Your just completely misunderstanding the issue. It doesn't matter if you use it for DOTA - anyone who uses a personal skype can have their IP found this way; it's easier to do to pro players because a google of their ID will get you their name, and you'll find 90% of people on skype if you have their most used online handle + their rl name. When you realise that, it's obviously better for players to protect themselves than expect them to stop using a program which many use to keep in touch with friends - especially those who travel a lot (hi esports people). You're basically asking an entire scene to blacklist the most used communication service around, and thinking that's somehow more realistic than just having pros/casters protect themselves. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
You're basically asking an entire scene to blacklist the most used communication service around, and thinking that's somehow more realistic than just having pros/casters protect themselves. I use Skype for business and if it did anything to affect me negatively I'd stop using it. And that's harder than to stop using it for friends, friends can accept that you have to use gtalk or some shit for voice-com or facebook to chat. | ||
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On April 18 2013 00:11 teapoted wrote: And the people who want to use it for that are free to take the risk. The point is if the industry standard is that everyone uses skype then everyone has to protect themselves, and that won't happen. I use Skype for business and if it did anything to affect me negatively I'd stop using it. And that's harder than to stop using it for friends, friends can accept that you have to use gtalk or some shit. jesus christ, not using it and protecting your skype are exactly the same thing. From reading the hailed destiny's guide, it seems like the protection takes an hour at most rofl. Now that everyone's aware of it, making every player responsible for protecting themselves, however they deem practical, is realistic (or it would be if steam wasn't another source right now). Basically, iuno why you think "fuck that program" is any different from "protect yourself". They're functionally identical, except one lets you keep using a pretty widespread program -_- | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Do people honestly expect every single player to do this? What about when amateur tournaments start being hit? What about when some guy has to play from a different computer? What about the person who just does it wrong or forgets? What about stand-ins? | ||
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