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On April 16 2013 00:00 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 23:52 Jibba wrote:On April 15 2013 23:47 Jehct wrote:On April 15 2013 23:41 justinpal wrote:On April 15 2013 23:35 LDdota wrote:On April 15 2013 23:22 justinpal wrote:
Wait the players actually use skype? Even EG? EGRC uses Skype?! everyone in esports uses skype Well, welcome to eSports where Skype reveals your IP. I read this article by Destiny a while ago, and I figured many people would stop using Skype or take the precautions listed. I guess DotA is still fairly new to eSports. fogged did take the precautions and he still got ddos'd. these kind of statements don't really contribute anything at all. Skype has issues but it's still incredibly useful (indispensable?) as an administrative tool. I don't understand why Skype is any more useful than any other service like Vent/TS3/RC. They all have chatrooms and groups. You have more administrative control using any other service. The only issue is getting people to install them. Even when casting, it seems silly to use Skype because when someone drops, the active caster has to re-invite them whereas on a chat program with a server, whoever was disconnected is the one who re-joins. The only downside I've heard is latency, but I'm not sure that's really true with a decent server. The combination of group hosting and being able to message those offline is pretty damn useful for dealing with those on different timezones, no? Correct me if you can do the same things via RC or TS, but if you can't, PMing everyone on a site like tl, or getting all the managers on an irc channel, or whatever else you have to do, seems like a lot more work.
Uh... this is not unique. Hell, just use Gchat for this kind of organizational stuff. I don't know of any other group that turns to Skype for business as much as ESPORTS people.
TBH, this was only a matter of time. This used to happen all the time during CS, and it only really stopped as people moved away from CS. Then we went from Ventrilo to Skype, and the opportunity came back.
Shitty people are going to DDoS people given the opportunity, so don't give it to them. :/
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MUMBLE + GCHAT/GTALK = ALL SKYPE DOES + EMAILS
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Unless this issue is going to be solved soon, they really should just stick to playing the games "secretly" and making the caster replay-cast them. For people who bought the ticket, maybe the replay can be added to the tournament, when it hasn't been shown in the actual live tournament? Hope people get, what I mean.
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why do ppl get attacked only in this tourny? wtf is going on here.
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On April 16 2013 00:08 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 00:00 Jehct wrote:On April 15 2013 23:52 Jibba wrote:On April 15 2013 23:47 Jehct wrote:On April 15 2013 23:41 justinpal wrote:On April 15 2013 23:35 LDdota wrote:On April 15 2013 23:22 justinpal wrote:
Wait the players actually use skype? Even EG? EGRC uses Skype?! everyone in esports uses skype Well, welcome to eSports where Skype reveals your IP. I read this article by Destiny a while ago, and I figured many people would stop using Skype or take the precautions listed. I guess DotA is still fairly new to eSports. fogged did take the precautions and he still got ddos'd. these kind of statements don't really contribute anything at all. Skype has issues but it's still incredibly useful (indispensable?) as an administrative tool. I don't understand why Skype is any more useful than any other service like Vent/TS3/RC. They all have chatrooms and groups. You have more administrative control using any other service. The only issue is getting people to install them. Even when casting, it seems silly to use Skype because when someone drops, the active caster has to re-invite them whereas on a chat program with a server, whoever was disconnected is the one who re-joins. The only downside I've heard is latency, but I'm not sure that's really true with a decent server. The combination of group hosting and being able to message those offline is pretty damn useful for dealing with those on different timezones, no? Correct me if you can do the same things via RC or TS, but if you can't, PMing everyone on a site like tl, or getting all the managers on an irc channel, or whatever else you have to do, seems like a lot more work. Uh... this is not unique. Hell, just use Gchat for this kind of organizational stuff. I don't know of any other group that turns to Skype for business as much as ESPORTS people. TBH, this was only a matter of time. This used to happen all the time during CS, and it only really stopped as people moved away from CS. Then we went from Ventrilo to Skype, and the opportunity came back. Shitty people are going to DDoS people given the opportunity, so don't give it to them. :/
Couldn't people get the IP from gchat the same way they get it from skype? I thought the issue was that it's p2p so sharing your contact info shares your IP; what makes any other IM client any different from skype?
And I wasn't meaning to imply that skype was unique, only that an IM client is really useful for this kind of stuff, and I don't think mumble/ts/whatever fulfill the same role.
edit: oh, from some googling I guess there aren't gchat/whatever other IM client resolvers, so it's a skype-only security issue. I guess esports really does need to just ditch skype and go with a voice server + gchat system then.
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On April 16 2013 00:21 aintz wrote:
why do ppl get attacked only in this tourny? wtf is going on here.
I think someone either recently discovered DDoSing or the DotA pro-scene. It was occurring in the DHI as well this past Saturday.
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People discovered they could bet if that post is to believed.
Hope Dignitas wins, just so that moron looses his bet.
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guys it's clearly riot doing all this ddos! ~_~
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But, last time the DDoSers cost EG the game: a game that they were already losing? And the time before that at DHI Alliance was losing also. I think it's more of a targeted thing, like I hate this player. Unless, the gamblers believe that a game will actually be remade if someone can't reconnect? So weird!
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On April 16 2013 00:40 justinpal wrote:
But, last time the DDoSers cost EG the game: a game that they were already losing? And the time before that at DHI Alliance was losing also. I think it's more of a targeted thing, like I hate this player. Unless, the gamblers believe that a game will actually be remade if someone can't reconnect? So weird!
or makes the game invalid hence no loss of money
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On April 16 2013 00:08 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 00:00 Jehct wrote:On April 15 2013 23:52 Jibba wrote:On April 15 2013 23:47 Jehct wrote:On April 15 2013 23:41 justinpal wrote:On April 15 2013 23:35 LDdota wrote:On April 15 2013 23:22 justinpal wrote:
Wait the players actually use skype? Even EG? EGRC uses Skype?! everyone in esports uses skype Well, welcome to eSports where Skype reveals your IP. I read this article by Destiny a while ago, and I figured many people would stop using Skype or take the precautions listed. I guess DotA is still fairly new to eSports. fogged did take the precautions and he still got ddos'd. these kind of statements don't really contribute anything at all. Skype has issues but it's still incredibly useful (indispensable?) as an administrative tool. I don't understand why Skype is any more useful than any other service like Vent/TS3/RC. They all have chatrooms and groups. You have more administrative control using any other service. The only issue is getting people to install them. Even when casting, it seems silly to use Skype because when someone drops, the active caster has to re-invite them whereas on a chat program with a server, whoever was disconnected is the one who re-joins. The only downside I've heard is latency, but I'm not sure that's really true with a decent server. The combination of group hosting and being able to message those offline is pretty damn useful for dealing with those on different timezones, no? Correct me if you can do the same things via RC or TS, but if you can't, PMing everyone on a site like tl, or getting all the managers on an irc channel, or whatever else you have to do, seems like a lot more work. Uh... this is not unique. Hell, just use Gchat for this kind of organizational stuff. I don't know of any other group that turns to Skype for business as much as ESPORTS people. TBH, this was only a matter of time. This used to happen all the time during CS, and it only really stopped as people moved away from CS. Then we went from Ventrilo to Skype, and the opportunity came back. Shitty people are going to DDoS people given the opportunity, so don't give it to them. :/
Agree completely. I think it's just the newer generation of gamers that didn't go through IRC+Vent days and just used skype from the beginning so they don't understand there are alternatives out there without the risk(IRC is bad though in this regard).
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This is a huge problem. =(
There is also a software that collects your ip through steam chat.
There was an episode on a TF2 brazilian amateur league where players were getting DDoS'ed during matches. When the League found the culprits, they revealed their methods. It was sending a player some random message on steam and after getting the answer, the ip was revealed by the software. Really simple stuff.
So, even if dota2 players avoid skype, they are not 100% safe.
Note: This was maybe 1 year and a half ago, so I don't know if Valve took the security measures to avoid the problem.
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just watched kaipi vs empire g1. awful game, just plain awful.
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Well, at least we get Harry Potter 
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On April 15 2013 23:36 Aui_2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 23:35 Yoshi- wrote:
Did you even checked if you got a different ip? yeah in ipconfig but maybe we needed to get isp to change something on their end too
Actually you need to change the MAC address of your router/computer (whoever connected to the modem). Most ISP rely your MAC address to distribute IPs. If you change the MAC address, you will immediately get a new IP.
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I don't think that works. If you have a statik IP, you call up your ISP and beg/grovel/demand they change your IP.
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On April 15 2013 22:29 Yoshi- wrote:
Shouldn't most people have dynamic ips anyway, should just restart their router.
Dynamic (or multiple) IPs are actually something you typically have to pay extra for in the US. If you call your ISP and ask them to change your IP they might do it but getting a US ISP to do anything is like trying to train a cat to shake hands.
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On April 15 2013 23:36 Aui_2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 23:35 Yoshi- wrote:
Did you even checked if you got a different ip? yeah in ipconfig but maybe we needed to get isp to change something on their end too
ipconfig won't reveal if your ip is different unless you are the only device plugged into a modem (and even then it's unlikely since most modems are now router/modems). You would need to look at the router's information page (typically you just go to the ip address of the gateway in ipconfig in a browser page and look at the status portion of the router).
If your IP in ipconfig starts with 192.168.x.x then yeah, that's not a changed IP at all (I would think Aui/others would already know this though). The DDOS is aimed at the router's global IP (WAN I think is the acronym) rather than the PC's (LAN) IP.
edit - Pretty much the only solution is to call your isp, ask for them to change your IP (they may charge for this "privilege") and only then use VPNs or as most people are advocating, ditch skype.
extra edit - Also changing MAC address actually makes most ISPs here shut off your internet until you call them to authorize the change. Plus MAC is a quasi-physical level identifier, if people know how to spoof a change of the MAC address they know how to avoid getting DDOS (the non software level method of changing a MAC address is just using a different router).
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It is probably Raidcall DDoSing to make everyone switch from Skype to Raidcall
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