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On April 14 2013 20:45 anonymitylol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 20:44 FreakyDroid wrote:
They are not DDoSed, the dev forums have a few topics with the same problem. Clearly its Valve's servers that have issues. Both Maelk and Bdiz couldn't even connect to their internet IIRC, one of them was on the phone with his ISP, apparently. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 20:44 Kipsate wrote:On April 14 2013 20:42 anonymitylol wrote:On April 14 2013 20:41 TOCHMY wrote:On April 14 2013 20:40 anonymitylol wrote:On April 14 2013 20:38 Liquid`BuLba wrote:
anyone give me a fast rundown of what happened. just woke up Maelk and Bdiz were both getting DDoSed, game was paused for over an hour, then when their issues were finally resolved Bdiz couldn't rejoin the game, so they had to load at 17 minutes. Loading at 17 minutes didn't fix anything, server kept crashing. They tried that a few times then went to 16 minutes and now all of aL keep dropping every 30~ seconds. And... now we wait. can u say for sure it was ddos? maiybe his isp had troubles Well, that's what Maelk/Bdiz/EG said, and I'll take their word for it. I don't really think they would purposefully do this, since it could cost them a series loss. How does one determine that its DDOS though. There have been DDoS issues in the past in e-Sports, what else would cause synchronized internet problems for two players on the same team?
We dont know if in their attempts to fix the issue they caused some network problems on their own or flat out lie about it. Since a lot of people on the dev forums are complaining about the exact same problem, I'm more inclined to think that its not a DDoS attack but a server issue.
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On April 14 2013 20:53 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 20:50 drew-chan wrote:
Thing is that with MOBA games (cringe) things can change really fast, really drastically. AL had a very clear lead of around about 5k gold and abit less EXP. Say things were remade from minute 0, even with the same draft for both teams, everything changes. Lanes could be changed around, first blood, tower kills, they all will happen differently and aL may find themselves 10k behind at 17 minutes, instead of 5k ahead. Sure they can also be 10k ahead in the remake, but aL has everything to lose and EG everything to gain as it stands if there were to be a full remake. (Any suggestion other than MOBA? Everyone calls them that these days.) Yeah but same with any kind of game really. A Starcraft regame can turn out to be a completely different game as well, for instance. Anyway, it seems a lot more reasonable to me than giving a freewin. Unless it was almost impossible for the opposite team to pull a comeback, and I don't think it was the case here despite the very, very clear lead.
DotA is fine 
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On April 14 2013 20:54 renfree wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 20:50 Jehct wrote:On April 14 2013 20:48 renfree wrote:On April 14 2013 20:46 PoP wrote:
I don't know much about what's usual for MOBA games but it would seem completely reasonable to remake the game at this point. aL does have a clear advantage but not decisive enough to give them a freewin.
I mean, shit happens. EG team has nothing to do with it. So, every time you are losing early game - just pretend to dc and ask for a remake in hope for better laning? Nice solution. as Maelk said, there's no fucking way a team like EG would ever try something so stupid. This kind of comment just comes across as idiotic, honestly; as I understand it, Demon hasn't slept (and it must be like 4-5am there); this situation hasn't benefited anyone Team like EG aka most cheesy Dota team? Not convinced, sorry.
One of the most respected and longest standing e-Sports organizations like EG who has had teams/players from almost every big e-Sport game throughout the years, and has constantly been one of the most professional organizations with regards to PR and handling of their players?
You should stop being hot-headed, EG aren't stupid enough to pull something like this on purpose.
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On April 14 2013 20:53 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 20:50 drew-chan wrote:
Thing is that with MOBA games (cringe) things can change really fast, really drastically. AL had a very clear lead of around about 5k gold and abit less EXP. Say things were remade from minute 0, even with the same draft for both teams, everything changes. Lanes could be changed around, first blood, tower kills, they all will happen differently and aL may find themselves 10k behind at 17 minutes, instead of 5k ahead. Sure they can also be 10k ahead in the remake, but aL has everything to lose and EG everything to gain as it stands if there were to be a full remake. (Any suggestion other than MOBA? Everyone calls them that these days.) Yeah but same with any kind of game really. A Starcraft regame can turn out to be a completely different game as well, for instance. Anyway, it seems a lot more reasonable to me than giving a freewin. Unless it was almost impossible for the opposite team to pull a comeback, and I don't think it was the case here despite the very, very clear lead.
You fuck over one team no matter what decision you make. I say the team that caused the issues should get the shorter end of the stick.
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On April 14 2013 20:55 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 20:53 PoP wrote:On April 14 2013 20:50 drew-chan wrote:
Thing is that with MOBA games (cringe) things can change really fast, really drastically. AL had a very clear lead of around about 5k gold and abit less EXP. Say things were remade from minute 0, even with the same draft for both teams, everything changes. Lanes could be changed around, first blood, tower kills, they all will happen differently and aL may find themselves 10k behind at 17 minutes, instead of 5k ahead. Sure they can also be 10k ahead in the remake, but aL has everything to lose and EG everything to gain as it stands if there were to be a full remake. (Any suggestion other than MOBA? Everyone calls them that these days.) Yeah but same with any kind of game really. A Starcraft regame can turn out to be a completely different game as well, for instance. Anyway, it seems a lot more reasonable to me than giving a freewin. Unless it was almost impossible for the opposite team to pull a comeback, and I don't think it was the case here despite the very, very clear lead. You fuck over one team no matter what decision you make. I say the team that caused the issues should get the shorter end of the stick.
The team that's caused the issue is probably Valve tbh
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On April 14 2013 20:54 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 20:50 Jehct wrote:On April 14 2013 20:48 renfree wrote:On April 14 2013 20:46 PoP wrote:
I don't know much about what's usual for MOBA games but it would seem completely reasonable to remake the game at this point. aL does have a clear advantage but not decisive enough to give them a freewin.
I mean, shit happens. EG team has nothing to do with it. So, every time you are losing early game - just pretend to dc and ask for a remake in hope for better laning? Nice solution. as Maelk said, there's no fucking way a team like EG would ever try something so stupid. This kind of comment just comes across as idiotic, honestly; as I understand it, Demon hasn't slept (and it must be like 4-5am there); this situation hasn't benefited anyone It has benefited EG. They were disjointed. Their strategy had failed. And they were in a unwinnable situation. This only hurt aL.
...unwinnable? As people have said, it was 5k gold/2.5k xp, with half that gold being in a 2 tower lead. EG had a lineup which actually could go late (sylla gyro v pl np) and it wasn't even close to the PL/NP ideal 40+ min, fully farmed mark. These claims that AL had it are so exaggerated =/ They had a really nice lead, that's it.
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On April 14 2013 20:50 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 20:48 renfree wrote:On April 14 2013 20:46 PoP wrote:
I don't know much about what's usual for MOBA games but it would seem completely reasonable to remake the game at this point. aL does have a clear advantage but not decisive enough to give them a freewin.
I mean, shit happens. EG team has nothing to do with it. So, every time you are losing early game - just pretend to dc and ask for a remake in hope for better laning? Nice solution. as Maelk said, there's no fucking way a team like EG would ever try something so stupid. This kind of comment just comes across as idiotic, honestly; as I understand it, Demon hasn't slept (and it must be like 4-5am there); this situation hasn't benefited anyone
Imo he isn't implying that's what EG did, he's saying that it could be an option for teams in the future if a precedent is set.
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On April 14 2013 20:13 Aixler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 20:10 NB wrote:Valves probably not gona go to hawaii next year.... just saying. A lot of shit got fucked up with dota2 when they are gone QQ @TheMaelk 41s
Fucking idiots. I've been playing this game for 10 years now, and haven't ever been accused of such pathetic shit. Cesspool community. And as soon as Maelk has connection problems, he blames the community for ddossing him, what a nice guy.
EG has DDosing problems with their SC2 squad as well it's not unheard of if their DOTA 2 players are being ddosed as well.
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This is just a shitty situation for everyone, really. And it's not even anyone's fault. It's just bad luck all around, and I'm sad to see it happen because it really hurts everyone involved.
It sucks for aL because obviously they were in the lead during the game and weren't having internet issues on their side, it sucks for EG because internet issues like that cannot really be prevented and they're stuck in a shitty situation of having to look like the bad guy for making everyone wait, it sucks for the admins because they are probably pulling their hair out trying to get all this stuff sorted out and make the right decision, and it sucks for the viewers because we didn't even get to see a game due to uncontrollable circumstances.
Honestly the only thing that will help something like this is to just improve the game save/reload system in Dota 2 in the future.
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I can't believe some people even believe EG did this on purpose, anyone who believes that needs a reality check really
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On April 14 2013 20:59 Dattish wrote:
I'm guessing that the savegame is corrupt, which is why aL is getting dc'd. In that case couldn't they just remake the game with cheats? just -lvlup -gold and destroy towers until its at the same point.
You would lose stuff like kill streaks
creeps/roshan levelups
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On April 14 2013 20:57 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 20:54 Dracolich70 wrote:On April 14 2013 20:50 Jehct wrote:On April 14 2013 20:48 renfree wrote:On April 14 2013 20:46 PoP wrote:
I don't know much about what's usual for MOBA games but it would seem completely reasonable to remake the game at this point. aL does have a clear advantage but not decisive enough to give them a freewin.
I mean, shit happens. EG team has nothing to do with it. So, every time you are losing early game - just pretend to dc and ask for a remake in hope for better laning? Nice solution. as Maelk said, there's no fucking way a team like EG would ever try something so stupid. This kind of comment just comes across as idiotic, honestly; as I understand it, Demon hasn't slept (and it must be like 4-5am there); this situation hasn't benefited anyone It has benefited EG. They were disjointed. Their strategy had failed. And they were in a unwinnable situation. This only hurt aL. ...unwinnable? As people have said, it was 5k gold/2.5k xp, with half that gold being in a 2 tower lead. EG had a lineup which actually could go late (sylla gyro v pl np) and it wasn't even close to the PL/NP ideal 40+ min, fully farmed mark. These claims that AL had it are so exaggerated =/ They had a really nice lead, that's it.
the best evidence that aL was very far ahead was that they held the top 3 net worth in the game solidly.
the admins shouldve been more decisive though in postponing it
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On April 14 2013 20:56 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 20:55 cecek wrote:On April 14 2013 20:53 PoP wrote:On April 14 2013 20:50 drew-chan wrote:
Thing is that with MOBA games (cringe) things can change really fast, really drastically. AL had a very clear lead of around about 5k gold and abit less EXP. Say things were remade from minute 0, even with the same draft for both teams, everything changes. Lanes could be changed around, first blood, tower kills, they all will happen differently and aL may find themselves 10k behind at 17 minutes, instead of 5k ahead. Sure they can also be 10k ahead in the remake, but aL has everything to lose and EG everything to gain as it stands if there were to be a full remake. (Any suggestion other than MOBA? Everyone calls them that these days.) Yeah but same with any kind of game really. A Starcraft regame can turn out to be a completely different game as well, for instance. Anyway, it seems a lot more reasonable to me than giving a freewin. Unless it was almost impossible for the opposite team to pull a comeback, and I don't think it was the case here despite the very, very clear lead. You fuck over one team no matter what decision you make. I say the team that caused the issues should get the shorter end of the stick. The team that's caused the issue is probably Valve tbh
Except it's not, tbh. EG had 2 players disconnect and it took them almost an hour to get them back. That is the problem that started it all, everything was just fine up to that moment. I don't care why they disconnected, that's nobody's business but EG's to solve it.
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X: there is a very large thread about this in dev.dota2
X: forwarded it to ice long ago
X: no idea wtf are they doing
X2: valve doesn't care about dev.dota2
X2: man
X2: you should know it
X: gabe is just busy with stupid steam box
X: once they get stomped by xbox and ps
X: they will come back to their senses.
This is coming from a person close to Valve---
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Just give free win to aL...
Everything is because of that 1h20 DC anyways, way too long
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The choices are either a remake or forfeit. The G1 guys should ask aL captain if he is willing to remake and give up advantage. If yes remake, if no then forfeit. There's no more options beyond remake or not, and EG has said they will not object to what others decide. This seems really simple.
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On April 14 2013 20:48 renfree wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 20:46 PoP wrote:
I don't know much about what's usual for MOBA games but it would seem completely reasonable to remake the game at this point. aL does have a clear advantage but not decisive enough to give them a freewin.
I mean, shit happens. EG team has nothing to do with it. So, every time you are losing early game - just pretend to dc and ask for a remake in hope for better laning? Nice solution.
Stop being such a retard, do you even understand what you're saying ?
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On April 14 2013 20:59 Dattish wrote:
I'm guessing that the savegame is corrupt, which is why aL is getting dc'd. In that case couldn't they just remake the game with cheats? just -lvlup -gold and destroy towers until its at the same point. Or let EG play 4 vs 5 as they themselves suggested, within the game they were already losing in. That is even better for them then in a new game.
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