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Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
April 26 2013 13:21 GMT
#3321
On April 26 2013 22:18 clusen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 22:14 rabidch wrote:
On April 26 2013 22:12 icystorage wrote:
On April 26 2013 22:11 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Holy cow midas so OP late game... how much time does it take to pay off if you spam it every time off cooldown (not counting the attack speed but just the active?)

i think you just have to get it as early as possible. i cant do the math @_@

10 uses to pay off, so 1000 seconds to pay off 1900 gold. that said, the attack speed bonus makes it more like 6 uses

You don't get 190+the gold you usually get from killing a creep, so you need more uses to fully equalize.


But you also don't spend time attacking the creep, so that's not really true. So long as you use it instantly while it's off cooldown, it does translate to a 1000 seconds.
Kabutomaru
Profile Joined March 2011
Bulgaria226 Posts
April 26 2013 13:21 GMT
#3322
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
April 26 2013 13:22 GMT
#3323
hoping for axe :3
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
April 26 2013 13:22 GMT
#3324
On April 26 2013 22:14 StUfF wrote:
Alliance played super greedy with double midas, two solo laners + 3 jungling/stacking. Even when down on kills they were up on farm. Na'Vi didn't midas in turn and just couldn't execute team fights even with Batrider + Magnus + FV, Alliance somehow getting all the pickoffs.

That early Roshan just really massively screwed them. Puck 4-5 man ulti/silence + after FV was tanking Roshan down to a quarter health, gave Alliance so much room to get fat.



You underestimate global presence, global push, global fight

Magmus and void can have those two big ultis, but other guys can just come in later, or trade towers, Alliance late game was better. Na'vi couldnt possibly force a 5v5 team fight, alliance can just split and take 2 towers while navi gets 1, and alliance can pick off like crazy... checkout the last fight
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 26 2013 13:23 GMT
#3325
is hvost = xboct ?
-Terran-
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3336 Posts
April 26 2013 13:23 GMT
#3326
Ughhh... PL and KotL ... *sigh* that's not going to be easy~ and Bulldog gets clockwerk... so strong... o.O
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
Presidenten
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden777 Posts
April 26 2013 13:23 GMT
#3327
On April 26 2013 22:23 Vertical wrote:
is hvost = xboct ?


yeah apparently it's pronounced like that
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 26 2013 13:23 GMT
#3328
On April 26 2013 22:23 Vertical wrote:
is hvost = xboct ?

Yes, that's how his name is said in Russian
ForTheDream
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany1780 Posts
April 26 2013 13:23 GMT
#3329
good old trusty antimage, best hero ever!!!
In BurNIng we trust.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
April 26 2013 13:24 GMT
#3330
This is what I wanna post after nth take the series:
+ Show Spoiler +
Have been saying since navi roster changed and i am more confident once i saw how kuroky played support, navi will have problem playing against really solid team because their resource management is a mess (due to the way kuroky play support). Somehow NTH has become a real solid team lol

But then again people can say wait until LAN, and i agree on that, navi is a different team when it comes to lan.


That last game really reminds me of loda's insane slardar who was owning everyone back then. And look like they have prepared well for this G1!
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
April 26 2013 13:24 GMT
#3331
PICKS PLEEEEEEEEEEASE
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
DR.Ham
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands621 Posts
April 26 2013 13:24 GMT
#3332
On April 26 2013 22:20 739 wrote:
Picks pretty please?


Alliance:
Magnus, Kotl, PL, Clock, Lion

Na'Vi:
Batrider, Rubick, Storm, Jakiro, Anti-mage
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3336 Posts
April 26 2013 13:24 GMT
#3333
On April 26 2013 22:23 Vertical wrote:
is hvost = xboct ?

Yeah, in Russian, X is phonetically "h" and C is "s"~
But darn I'm worried for Na'Vi... Wait is only one team getting out of the NA/EU qualifiers?
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 26 2013 13:24 GMT
#3334
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 26 2013 13:24 GMT
#3335
On April 26 2013 22:24 BurningSera wrote:
This is what I wanna post after nth take the series:
+ Show Spoiler +
Have been saying since navi roster changed and i am more confident once i saw how kuroky played support, navi will have problem playing against really solid team because their resource management is a mess (due to the way kuroky play support). Somehow NTH has become a real solid team lol

But then again people can say wait until LAN, and i agree on that, navi is a different team when it comes to lan.


That last game really reminds me of loda's insane slardar who was owning everyone back then. And look like they have prepared well for this G1!


I think you posted that after every single Navi game tbh.
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
April 26 2013 13:25 GMT
#3336
On April 26 2013 22:16 WillyWanker wrote:
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On April 26 2013 22:13 SKC wrote:
On April 26 2013 22:09 WillyWanker wrote:
I don't understand why Na'Vi played the early like that... Alliance with Furion + Io means shitty lanes. So from there you have 2 choices as Na'Vi: go full agressive and make the lanes so you prevent Sven farming, or at least prevent Furion farming by making him feel unsafe in his own jungle; or you play the farm game, like Na'Vi did, but in that case you build adequate items, not fucking Maelstrom. Is that Xboct decision? I don't know, so I won't blame him, but the choice of the item was crap for the strategy they used.
Maybe he bought it thinking they were gonna play it agressively after the laning phase was over, but they never even tried anything... Roshan was a good idea, but when they saw Xboct losing half of his life they just should have B instantly, bad decision here. After that it was pretty much over, and Alliance played the fights perfectly...

With the team they had, and against a Io and a NP (two weak teamfight heroes), why didn't Na'Vi tried to force the issue early ? :s


Taking the Rosh was trying to force the issue early. They thought they had superior teamfight, and as such could handle the Rosh fight. But the engagement went really badly and turned the game. It could have easily meant either a Rosh for Navi so they could easily force fights or even a teamfight win into Rosh.

In the end it wasn't the best decision, it was too risky and Alliance managed to get a really good engagement, but you can't say they were playing passive early game.

Having destroyed just 1 tower after 15Mn is passive sorry... with Dendi farmed as he was they could have destroyed at least 2-3 more because Prophet had just a midas at this point and Sven far from his bkb... I don't know I feel like at this level of play, teams should at least have a precise general gameplan. Small decision mistakes always happen even with the best teams, but overall tactic mistakes are noobish for Na'Vi..


Na'vi overestimated their late game because of chrono+rp+lasso

Sure their team fight is huge, but that doesnt matter vs split pushing and global gank.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
scoww
Profile Joined June 2012
595 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 13:26:05
April 26 2013 13:25 GMT
#3337
sniped :/
renfree
Profile Joined November 2012
4485 Posts
April 26 2013 13:27 GMT
#3338
AM offensive trilane o.0
What can change the nature of a man?
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
April 26 2013 13:27 GMT
#3339
On April 26 2013 22:20 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 22:18 clusen wrote:
On April 26 2013 22:14 rabidch wrote:
On April 26 2013 22:12 icystorage wrote:
On April 26 2013 22:11 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Holy cow midas so OP late game... how much time does it take to pay off if you spam it every time off cooldown (not counting the attack speed but just the active?)

i think you just have to get it as early as possible. i cant do the math @_@

10 uses to pay off, so 1000 seconds to pay off 1900 gold. that said, the attack speed bonus makes it more like 6 uses

You don't get 190+the gold you usually get from killing a creep, so you need more uses to fully equalize.

i think killing the unit instantly equalizes that

If you use it on big jungle creeps it saves a lot of time, on lane creeps barely anything. You don't save 100 seconds by instantly killing 4 lanecreeps.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 26 2013 13:27 GMT
#3340
AM agressive trilane, that's unusual.
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