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Hondelul
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
1999 Posts
April 26 2013 13:09 GMT
#3281
I always waited for the RP/Chrono and Alliance gets completely whiped, never happened but that kept the game exciting for me. Always thought "uuuh, that can get ugly"
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 13:13:01
April 26 2013 13:10 GMT
#3282
Don't think it was outpicked, and I don't think kuroky could do anything against a bkb-ed sven unless bat/mag tried to hold him first. Definitely not xboct's fault either that he died once at bottom + in his own base at top because it's impossible to not get caught by furion with lothars/hex. The turning point was definitely the roshan fight, and the fact that alliance supports were stacking the ancient camp really hardcore. The gold/exp lead was at 5K or so after Loda cleared that area a second time. They could have tried to force more fights before furion got anything useful, or before loda became extremely fat.

The attempt to get roshan was way too risky. Xboct didn't have lifesteal, and they needed at least another guy to tank himself to below half hp before they could actually clear it.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 26 2013 13:10 GMT
#3283
On April 26 2013 22:05 spacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 22:03 rabidch wrote:
On April 26 2013 22:02 poorcloud wrote:
Am i the only one who thought that hvost let his team down by getting caught so much?

not really, kuroky was very nonexistent that game despite his reputation on rubick

i also thought the rosh attempt was extremely risky, na'vi thoguht they had the better teamfight lineup but s4 caught them perfectly out of position

Hvosts chrono also only caught 2 players and Dendi only managed to get off his RP after everyone already died

it was a really hard chrono to hit, had he hit lina before she dragon slaved it wouldve made a huge difference but that didnt happen, instead na'vi were all lined up with dream coil + line nukes to die

i also didnt like dendis decision to go jango. mek or bkb wouldve been a far better choice
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VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
April 26 2013 13:10 GMT
#3284
First the 19-0 game vs mouz and now this. Alliance is clearly the best EU team right now.
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3336 Posts
April 26 2013 13:11 GMT
#3285
Holy cow midas so OP late game... how much time does it take to pay off if you spam it every time off cooldown (not counting the attack speed but just the active?)
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
April 26 2013 13:12 GMT
#3286
GAME 2 PREDICTIONS

Navi - Mag/Kotl/PL/Rubick/LoneDruid

:3
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renfree
Profile Joined November 2012
4485 Posts
April 26 2013 13:12 GMT
#3287
On April 26 2013 22:10 VoirDire wrote:
First the 19-0 game vs mouz and now this. Alliance is clearly the best EU team right now.

Don't talk too early, Na`Vi aren't out of it yet.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
April 26 2013 13:12 GMT
#3288
On April 26 2013 22:11 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Holy cow midas so OP late game... how much time does it take to pay off if you spam it every time off cooldown (not counting the attack speed but just the active?)

i think you just have to get it as early as possible. i cant do the math @_@
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 26 2013 13:13 GMT
#3289
On April 26 2013 22:09 WillyWanker wrote:
I don't understand why Na'Vi played the early like that... Alliance with Furion + Io means shitty lanes. So from there you have 2 choices as Na'Vi: go full agressive and make the lanes so you prevent Sven farming, or at least prevent Furion farming by making him feel unsafe in his own jungle; or you play the farm game, like Na'Vi did, but in that case you build adequate items, not fucking Maelstrom. Is that Xboct decision? I don't know, so I won't blame him, but the choice of the item was crap for the strategy they used.
Maybe he bought it thinking they were gonna play it agressively after the laning phase was over, but they never even tried anything... Roshan was a good idea, but when they saw Xboct losing half of his life they just should have B instantly, bad decision here. After that it was pretty much over, and Alliance played the fights perfectly...

With the team they had, and against a Io and a NP (two weak teamfight heroes), why didn't Na'Vi tried to force the issue early ? :s


Taking the Rosh was trying to force the issue early. They thought they had superior teamfight, and as such could handle the Rosh fight. But the engagement went really badly and turned the game. It could have easily meant either a Rosh for Navi so they could easily force fights or even a teamfight win into Rosh.

In the end it wasn't the best decision, it was too risky and Alliance managed to get a really good engagement, but you can't say they were playing passive early game.
renfree
Profile Joined November 2012
4485 Posts
April 26 2013 13:13 GMT
#3290
On April 26 2013 22:11 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Holy cow midas so OP late game... how much time does it take to pay off if you spam it every time off cooldown (not counting the attack speed but just the active?)

It was more about ancient stacks, than Midas. Loda had a huge gold income off that.
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kayoz
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria95 Posts
April 26 2013 13:13 GMT
#3291
On April 26 2013 22:12 icystorage wrote:
GAME 2 PREDICTIONS

Navi - Mag/Kotl/PL/Rubick/LoneDruid

:3


yeah navi desperate pl pick for sure
Kabutomaru
Profile Joined March 2011
Bulgaria226 Posts
April 26 2013 13:13 GMT
#3292
How is this XBocTs fault that his mates leave their carry got initiated?
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 26 2013 13:14 GMT
#3293
On April 26 2013 22:12 icystorage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 22:11 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Holy cow midas so OP late game... how much time does it take to pay off if you spam it every time off cooldown (not counting the attack speed but just the active?)

i think you just have to get it as early as possible. i cant do the math @_@

10 uses to pay off, so 1000 seconds to pay off 1900 gold. that said, the attack speed bonus makes it more like 6 uses
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
April 26 2013 13:14 GMT
#3294
Probably more of a Naix then PL.
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StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 13:15:48
April 26 2013 13:14 GMT
#3295
Alliance played super greedy with double midas, two solo laners + 3 jungling/stacking. Even when down on kills they were up on farm. Na'Vi didn't midas in turn and just couldn't execute team fights even with Batrider + Magnus + FV, Alliance somehow getting all the pickoffs.

That early Roshan just really massively screwed them. Puck 4-5 man ulti/silence + after FV was tanking Roshan down to a quarter health, gave Alliance so much room to get fat.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 26 2013 13:15 GMT
#3296
There is the experience too, on the other hand there is the oppertunity cost aswell(that 1900 gold could have been X)
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 26 2013 13:15 GMT
#3297
On April 26 2013 22:14 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 22:12 icystorage wrote:
On April 26 2013 22:11 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Holy cow midas so OP late game... how much time does it take to pay off if you spam it every time off cooldown (not counting the attack speed but just the active?)

i think you just have to get it as early as possible. i cant do the math @_@

10 uses to pay off, so 1000 seconds to pay off 1900 gold. that said, the attack speed bonus makes it more like 6 uses


There's also the XP bonus that can be quite helpful.
Kabutomaru
Profile Joined March 2011
Bulgaria226 Posts
April 26 2013 13:15 GMT
#3298
#PunchYourChicken
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
April 26 2013 13:16 GMT
#3299
NOOO. my prediction
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andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 13:16:39
April 26 2013 13:16 GMT
#3300
s4 gonna show dendi how to mag

damn it i tried to bet on Alliance earlier but d2lounge was down
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