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ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
August 09 2013 05:52 GMT
#8201
Go Zenith, go Y-GOD!!!!
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
August 09 2013 05:52 GMT
#8202
On August 09 2013 14:51 gLhF.Revere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 14:45 r.Evo wrote:
On August 09 2013 14:43 babylon wrote:
On August 09 2013 14:41 GreyKnight wrote:
On August 09 2013 14:39 Rulker wrote:
On August 09 2013 14:39 hatoblue wrote:
If Yao hadn't played so badly that would've been a win for LGD 100%

What did Yao do wrong?

Everything.

Comparing his Magnus to Super's just a few games before was a bit painful ... is Yao not good on Magnus? :/

He's actually known for his Magnus, which doesn't make this any better. I wouldn't say Xiao8 is famous for his Prophet tho.

LGD did GREAT with Xiao8 mid and Yao offlane with Xiao8 controlling tempo for months now. Now they pull this shit for 4 games in a row.

Sadly, I disagree. Xiao8's prophet was imo the best prophet of TI2 in addition to LongDD.

Xiao8 as a mid player focuses on ganking mids (Beastmaster, NS, Nyx) that scale off if momentum isn't found early. True, he also plays DK but Yao has a better DK than Xiao8. Anyways, LGD's big problem this tournament has been their predictability and emphasis on 4p1. For some reason, Xioa8 et co refuse to adapt to the split push/mass farm metagame.

They definatelly tried to play a split pushing game against TL. Maybe because it was forced upon them after the early game, but Xiao8 was no Bulldog.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
August 09 2013 05:52 GMT
#8203
slark + naga OTP
:)
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
August 09 2013 05:52 GMT
#8204
God, weaver-naga. Sighhhhhhhh
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 05:56:24
August 09 2013 05:53 GMT
#8205
On August 09 2013 14:35 Testuser wrote:
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On August 09 2013 14:31 r.Evo wrote:
The only horrible thing about this is that I can hear people yelling how Liquid is so much better than LGD for the next year at least.

sigh.

That and the fact that we're going to see more liquid games instead of lgd games (:

Judging by last TI experience, we'd better forget about LGD for 2-3 months. I can feel their pain, but let's face it: it's the same pain that was running through DK for a half of year, and through iG after G-1. If you can't perfom, you lose.

I am still amused LGD had the closest games with [A] even in this state, even with one strat. I still feel they would beat every team which is not DK / NaVi / Alliance in Bo3 at TI3, but maybe that's for better they go off now, because top 3 finisher is not an achievement anymore, like top 6 finisher wouldn't be for iG.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
August 09 2013 05:53 GMT
#8206
I think IG has the stronger draft here.
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Obelisco
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru1962 Posts
August 09 2013 05:53 GMT
#8207
On August 09 2013 14:51 TheYango wrote:
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On August 09 2013 14:48 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
On August 09 2013 14:45 r.Evo wrote:
On August 09 2013 14:43 babylon wrote:
On August 09 2013 14:41 GreyKnight wrote:
On August 09 2013 14:39 Rulker wrote:
On August 09 2013 14:39 hatoblue wrote:
If Yao hadn't played so badly that would've been a win for LGD 100%

What did Yao do wrong?

Everything.

Comparing his Magnus to Super's just a few games before was a bit painful ... is Yao not good on Magnus? :/

He's actually known for his Magnus, which doesn't make this any better. I wouldn't say Xiao8 is famous for his Prophet tho.

LGD did GREAT with Xiao8 mid and Yao offlane with Xiao8 controlling tempo for months now. Now they pull this shit for 4 games in a row.

Because they wanted a magnus, but Xiao8 is the weaker mag on the team.

Except with that draft and those lanes they could have run Mag offlane just fine. They put themselves into this position with the Furion pick, though. Which is their problem because they shouldn't draft themselves into that position.

LGD doesn't work with Yao mid anymore. It worked at TI2 because the game was slower and allowed for a mid who didn't necessarily direct the tempo and made up for it with teamfight presence (e.g. Yao Invoker mid at TI2). But the game right now demands a mid who has control and directs the midgame game flow. People give LGD crap for playing 4-protects-1, but quite honestly THIS is why they don't have midgame control. Not because they're putting everything on Sylar because Sylar is playing carries with midgame presence and has excellent execution in midgame fights when he comes to them. It's because having Yao mid fundamentally puts the team on a defensive posture when Yao doesn't gank, doesn't apply pressure, and who is a player whose strength does not lie in his sense of game flow like Xiao8 is.

LGD's strongest form this year came from Xiao8's mid when he played nyx and Kunkka i remember
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 09 2013 05:53 GMT
#8208
I'm thinking outpick by iG...
MrKn4rz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2153 Posts
August 09 2013 05:53 GMT
#8209
Mike Ghannam ‏@Liquidixmike88:
That was easy.
"We don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly around here..."
syst
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
United States247 Posts
August 09 2013 05:53 GMT
#8210
Thanks for the rares, TL!
bjwithbraces
Profile Joined April 2010
United States549 Posts
August 09 2013 05:53 GMT
#8211
On August 09 2013 14:43 SpiZe wrote:
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On August 09 2013 14:41 bjwithbraces wrote:
I really like liquid in bo1s. I think whoever makes it through iG/zenith, Liquid has a really good chance because it's the last bo1 series of the lower bracket. Whenever I see Liquid in bo3s, they always seem to get 1 game but then lose the series. If they can take that one game as the first game then I think they can make a run for LB success. Liquid Hwaiting!!!!


Should Zenith win, Liquid vs Zenith will be a weird match. A weird match.


Definitely. I think Liquid could take Zenith easier than IG, but after this last match if they play in with that good of form, who knows. I've always liked Liquid especially when they picked up Korok, but after hearing about Ixmike's dad telling him to "pack his shit and come home" after going 7-7 in group stage, I want him (and Liquid) to go far just to stick it to his dad.
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Ryusei-R1
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
August 09 2013 05:53 GMT
#8212
On August 09 2013 14:53 MrKn4rz wrote:
Mike Ghannam ‏@Liquidixmike88:
That was easy.

classic ixmike
Jaedong plz
yyfpulls
Profile Joined November 2012
United States2185 Posts
August 09 2013 05:53 GMT
#8213
CARRY NAGA inc
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
August 09 2013 05:53 GMT
#8214
gl bro

gl boss
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
August 09 2013 05:53 GMT
#8215
HOLD ON THIS iG line up makes sense to me. OMG, the BIG iG is back?!!
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
August 09 2013 05:53 GMT
#8216
Wow well played liquid. That was all I could have ever hoped for. (I am slightly ashamed of waking the whole house up after words)
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
jigga
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1141 Posts
August 09 2013 05:53 GMT
#8217
On August 09 2013 14:51 gLhF.Revere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 14:45 r.Evo wrote:
On August 09 2013 14:43 babylon wrote:
On August 09 2013 14:41 GreyKnight wrote:
On August 09 2013 14:39 Rulker wrote:
On August 09 2013 14:39 hatoblue wrote:
If Yao hadn't played so badly that would've been a win for LGD 100%

What did Yao do wrong?

Everything.

Comparing his Magnus to Super's just a few games before was a bit painful ... is Yao not good on Magnus? :/

He's actually known for his Magnus, which doesn't make this any better. I wouldn't say Xiao8 is famous for his Prophet tho.

LGD did GREAT with Xiao8 mid and Yao offlane with Xiao8 controlling tempo for months now. Now they pull this shit for 4 games in a row.

Sadly, I disagree. Xiao8's prophet was imo the best prophet of TI2 in addition to LongDD.

Xiao8 as a mid player focuses on ganking mids (Beastmaster, NS, Nyx) that scale off if momentum isn't found early. True, he also plays DK but Yao has a better DK than Xiao8. Anyways, LGD's big problem this tournament has been their predictability and emphasis on 4p1. For some reason, Xioa8 et co refuse to adapt to the split push/mass farm metagame.


Xiao8 plays a great prophet. He definitely did poorly in the early game but did well enough to come back. LGD draft was fine, if it was DK playing it then they would have crushed Liquid. The biggest problem was Yao on the Mag, he just did not pull the trigger enough. Ultimately his lack of clutch RPs cost them the game in the end.
s0uljah
Profile Joined March 2011
Singapore143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 05:54:12
August 09 2013 05:54 GMT
#8218
if you want to watch a snowballing wisp in TI3, i think Liquid vs MUFC had a pretty sick snowballing wisp too
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 09 2013 05:54 GMT
#8219
On August 09 2013 14:53 BurningSera wrote:
HOLD ON THIS iG line up makes sense to me. OMG, the BIG iG is back?!!

RETURN OF THE KING
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TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
August 09 2013 05:54 GMT
#8220
On August 09 2013 14:52 Tsutchie wrote:
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On August 09 2013 14:49 BurningSera wrote:
I see some serious faces in iG. I think they are coming back.

+ Show Spoiler +
wishful thinking T_T


i feel like none of the asian teams came with anything new to ti3. they've been playing just like they've been playing in the last month when compared to the western teams who have brought a ton of new strats and styles.

Did you miss DK's push strat? They're the only team that's picked Pugna to my knowledge.
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