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On August 10 2013 06:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:07 WindWolf wrote:On August 10 2013 06:02 killerdog wrote:On August 10 2013 06:00 KristofferAG wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 Y wrote:On August 10 2013 05:57 WindWolf wrote: GG
But I still don't like premature GG calls... I do hope you mean the casters' early "gg" when [A] teamwiped first. DK's "gg" at the end was in no imaginable way premature. Well, if the gg is called by casters before the players call it, it's premature. I guess. I mean it was pretty obvious who was going to win at that point, but crazy shit CAN happen in Dota, even though it rarely does. Casters calling gg (Within reason) isn't really a bad thing though, if it was the game ending point, then it just makes the casters look good (plus helps new people understand at what point the game was finished) and if there is a comeback, then it just makes the comeback much more intense then if the casters had let on that it was still all up in the air. IMO no. Casters calling gg too early = they have COMPLETELY ruled out the possibility of a comback. I even had a 4v5 game once that my team won pretty convincingly People need to not freak out about the casters calling GG alittle early. The game can be over and the caster can be proven wrong, which is just as much fun. When it happens repetitively, it is no longer fun. I've seen enough stuff to know that you should never call GG to early.
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On August 10 2013 06:06 TheYango wrote: Draft was not what lost DK that game, 2009 was saying that if it was 2 nameless teams and not Alliance vs. DK, DK's draft would be 70/30 against Alliance's draft.
Alliance recognized what was important that game and executed well. They made good trades when DK had the advantage, and capitalized on DK's mistakes. The gem loss near Rosh where s4 lasso-ed ROTK from under 4 DK players' noses was absolutely game changing. i think it was few things. the xp advantage was important honestly, i don't know why LD and Lumi were saying it didn't matter when the reality was that the supports of Alliance were near level 20 and DK were like at level 12 and i didn't feel super contributed at all in terms of damage.
linkin might not have been a bad choice but i don't think going both bkb and linkin was smart when you sacrifice any going items that can give damage.
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On August 10 2013 06:05 sorrowptoss wrote: TI easily has the best production in esports at the moment afaik
Without a doubt. Somewhere in a dark room, Sundance Giovanni (the MLG boss guy) is probably sobbing hysterically. This makes every other event look amateurish.
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That's pretty much every game of alliance, to be honest, his prophet is WAY stronger than LD.
They could just counter pick against natures prophet.
Just pick a storm spirit (or even a spirit breaker if you want to go deep) if NP is giving them hell.
Lone druid however is a hero that doesn't really have any obvious weakness's, some heroes can be quite good against him (brewmaster is actually very good) but he just generally grinds out what he has to do regardless.
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On August 10 2013 06:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:08 Grettin wrote:On August 10 2013 06:07 figq wrote:On August 10 2013 06:05 Firebolt145 wrote: Yo, every other tournament in the world. Watch this and learn, please. Well, to be honest, all they think when they watch is: "We wish we had the money to do this". And all i'm thinking is why doesn't other games/companies sell their stuff like Valve, so they could afford at least a bit of this. Compendium for example. They sell HD passes or pay per view and people hate them for it ;x Sell anything and have people hate it. Dota 2 gets away with what other people wish they could.
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On August 10 2013 06:08 5100 wrote: Who makes the in-game calls for Alliance? Anybody know?
s4
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On August 10 2013 06:09 Azurues wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:08 5100 wrote: Who makes the in-game calls for Alliance? Anybody know? s4 most likely. but i think it's an overall team decision since everything they do synced so well Someone has to be calling the shots in some capacity, no way a team can play so well so fast together if they're taking the time to talk about what to do.
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On August 10 2013 06:08 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:06 Kuroeeah wrote: To be honest, i have never seen this kind of thing in any other e-sports event at all. ... I don't wanna sound mean, but any big e sport event ever? XD LCS, OGN, GSL, WCS, all of them work this way.
LCS has gotten better for sure but spring split was pretty bad especially EU, how many times internet failed or twitch crashed
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On August 10 2013 06:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:08 Grettin wrote:On August 10 2013 06:07 figq wrote:On August 10 2013 06:05 Firebolt145 wrote: Yo, every other tournament in the world. Watch this and learn, please. Well, to be honest, all they think when they watch is: "We wish we had the money to do this". And all i'm thinking is why doesn't other games/companies sell their stuff like Valve, so they could afford at least a bit of this. Compendium for example. And sell a lot of other peoples games and make money off those too. Dat Steam money.
Thats extra. But imagine if Blizzard or Riot would do or would've done something similar to compendium. Prizepool incrased and extra cash from the rest to profit some of the costs of the event.
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its the in game cosmetics people go crazy over those
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Don't know about that. Guess you guys never watch OGN?
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On August 10 2013 06:11 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On August 10 2013 06:08 Grettin wrote:On August 10 2013 06:07 figq wrote:On August 10 2013 06:05 Firebolt145 wrote: Yo, every other tournament in the world. Watch this and learn, please. Well, to be honest, all they think when they watch is: "We wish we had the money to do this". And all i'm thinking is why doesn't other games/companies sell their stuff like Valve, so they could afford at least a bit of this. Compendium for example. They sell HD passes or pay per view and people hate them for it ;x Sell anything and have people hate it. Dota 2 gets away with what other people wish they could.
No Valve sells quality. Thats the difference.
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On August 10 2013 06:05 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:03 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 06:01 Comeh wrote:On August 10 2013 06:01 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 05:59 Comeh wrote:On August 10 2013 05:59 DDie wrote:On August 10 2013 05:57 Comeh wrote: Admiral Bulldog pretty much won the game for Alliance - if that wasn't a NP, DK would have pushed to win that game a long time ago.
Also holy shit those forcestaffs. That's pretty much every game of alliance, to be honest, his prophet is WAY stronger than LD. After the armlet nerf, I don't see any reason to ban LD over NP against Alliance anymore. Bulldog wins lanes he has no business winning with LD. You cannot allow it to go through or he gets an 18 minute midas Radience. LD wins lanes, sometimes. NP wins games. NP won this game for alliance - the split push meant DK couldn't teamfight comfortably. You realize that you could probably tri-lane against Bulldog's LD and end up losing the lane? That's how good his LD is. You cannot possibly allow anything like that to happen. You realize that bulldog might have gotten decent farm that game with LD, but DK's lane was THAT strong for a LD (might have forced a LD jungle), and that LD can't split push anywhere the amount that a NP can? Burning would have had similar farm, and LD can't stop teamfights like a NP can.
You can't just replace the LD first ban with NP and expect the draft goes the same. In that case Alliance just drafts gyro, siren and goes offensive tri-lane. Then you end up with Rotk Darkseer vs Bulldog Lone Druid and we know how easily Bulldog free farms against basically any 1v1 hero, let alone Darkseer. He gets a 15 minute midas radiance, breaks the base and 90% of you come out saying "WHY DIDN'T THEY BAN THE LONE DRUID WTFNOOBS".
Lone Druid is Bulldogs best hero by far, there are a handful of prophet players who play just as well as Bulldog, but ZERO Lone Druid players who come even close to Bulldogs mastery.
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Bulldog's prophet again looks like
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On August 10 2013 06:07 pyro19 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:01 Comeh wrote:On August 10 2013 06:01 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 05:59 Comeh wrote:On August 10 2013 05:59 DDie wrote:On August 10 2013 05:57 Comeh wrote: Admiral Bulldog pretty much won the game for Alliance - if that wasn't a NP, DK would have pushed to win that game a long time ago.
Also holy shit those forcestaffs. That's pretty much every game of alliance, to be honest, his prophet is WAY stronger than LD. After the armlet nerf, I don't see any reason to ban LD over NP against Alliance anymore. Bulldog wins lanes he has no business winning with LD. You cannot allow it to go through or he gets an 18 minute midas Radience. LD wins lanes, sometimes. NP wins games. NP won this game for alliance - the split push meant DK couldn't teamfight comfortably. Bulldog LD wins Games...Always He plays the LD to near perfection and I have rarely seen his LD lose..You have to ban both NP and LD against Bulldog and then you open up yourself for either a Wisp or Bat and If Alliance Bans them both then you get a Fair game. China Bans Wisp + Druid -> Bulldog always gets his NP One of the Reasons why Western teams can atleast take games off Alliance in Online cups (Mouz ,Kaipi) Yeah, it's almost like the Eastern teams start off with 0 bans, since they have to ban LD and Wisp all the time.
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On August 10 2013 06:10 WindWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:09 Plansix wrote:On August 10 2013 06:07 WindWolf wrote:On August 10 2013 06:02 killerdog wrote:On August 10 2013 06:00 KristofferAG wrote:On August 10 2013 05:58 Y wrote:On August 10 2013 05:57 WindWolf wrote: GG
But I still don't like premature GG calls... I do hope you mean the casters' early "gg" when [A] teamwiped first. DK's "gg" at the end was in no imaginable way premature. Well, if the gg is called by casters before the players call it, it's premature. I guess. I mean it was pretty obvious who was going to win at that point, but crazy shit CAN happen in Dota, even though it rarely does. Casters calling gg (Within reason) isn't really a bad thing though, if it was the game ending point, then it just makes the casters look good (plus helps new people understand at what point the game was finished) and if there is a comeback, then it just makes the comeback much more intense then if the casters had let on that it was still all up in the air. IMO no. Casters calling gg too early = they have COMPLETELY ruled out the possibility of a comback. I even had a 4v5 game once that my team won pretty convincingly People need to not freak out about the casters calling GG alittle early. The game can be over and the caster can be proven wrong, which is just as much fun. When it happens repetitively, it is no longer fun. I've seen enough stuff to know that you should never call GG to early. It looked like it was over and I can't blame them. that is how hard it is to play Dota 2, is that you can never know.
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On August 10 2013 06:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:08 Grettin wrote:On August 10 2013 06:07 figq wrote:On August 10 2013 06:05 Firebolt145 wrote: Yo, every other tournament in the world. Watch this and learn, please. Well, to be honest, all they think when they watch is: "We wish we had the money to do this". And all i'm thinking is why doesn't other games/companies sell their stuff like Valve, so they could afford at least a bit of this. Compendium for example. They sell HD passes or pay per view and people hate them for it ;x So basically it comes down to them not being creative. HD pass is just very unfun and you don't get HD for free. Compendum with some of the money added to prize pool and item win chances is just fun and people are much more likely to buy it, also free HD: I also don't doubt for a second that the compendum is more successful... If my calculations are correct they sold over half a million of those
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On August 10 2013 06:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:08 Grettin wrote:On August 10 2013 06:07 figq wrote:On August 10 2013 06:05 Firebolt145 wrote: Yo, every other tournament in the world. Watch this and learn, please. Well, to be honest, all they think when they watch is: "We wish we had the money to do this". And all i'm thinking is why doesn't other games/companies sell their stuff like Valve, so they could afford at least a bit of this. Compendium for example. They sell HD passes or pay per view and people hate them for it ;x You get so, so much more for your money with the Compendium though.
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On August 10 2013 06:10 AimForTheBushes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:05 sorrowptoss wrote: TI easily has the best production in esports at the moment afaik Without a doubt. Somewhere in a dark room, Sundance Giovanni (the MLG boss guy) is probably sobbing hysterically. This makes every other event look amateurish.
It's easy when you can throw arbitrary amounts of money after their one big tournament without really worrying about making a profit from it. Unlike what a ton of the other tournaments have to do.
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