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kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
August 09 2013 21:12 GMT
#1361
Burning AM :o
Obelisco
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru1962 Posts
August 09 2013 21:12 GMT
#1362
ANTI MAGE, this time for BurNIng
Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
August 09 2013 21:12 GMT
#1363
Prophet + siren, game was nice.
EGM guides me
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
August 09 2013 21:12 GMT
#1364
On August 10 2013 06:11 misirlou wrote:
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On August 10 2013 06:08 mr_tolkien wrote:
On August 10 2013 06:06 Kuroeeah wrote:
To be honest, i have never seen this kind of thing in any other e-sports event at all.

... I don't wanna sound mean, but any big e sport event ever? XD LCS, OGN, GSL, WCS, all of them work this way.


LCS has gotten better for sure but spring split was pretty bad especially EU, how many times internet failed or twitch crashed

Well yeah, speaking of NA. EU is handled by ESL.

I'm also part of the Iron Squid staff and working in the production crew so it's pretty much the same, except with way less money :p
The legend of Darien lives on
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
August 09 2013 21:12 GMT
#1365
On August 10 2013 06:10 Kuroeeah wrote:
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On August 10 2013 06:06 TheYango wrote:
Draft was not what lost DK that game, 2009 was saying that if it was 2 nameless teams and not Alliance vs. DK, DK's draft would be 70/30 against Alliance's draft.

Alliance recognized what was important that game and executed well. They made good trades when DK had the advantage, and capitalized on DK's mistakes. The gem loss near Rosh where s4 lasso-ed ROTK from under 4 DK players' noses was absolutely game changing.

i think it was few things. the xp advantage was important honestly, i don't know why LD and Lumi were saying it didn't matter when the reality was that the supports of Alliance were near level 20 and DK were like at level 12 and i didn't feel super contributed at all in terms of damage.

linkin might not have been a bad choice but i don't think going both bkb and linkin was smart when you sacrifice any going items that can give damage.

A big portion of that XP disadvantage came from losing the gem. Should have just parked it in fountain tbh. =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 09 2013 21:13 GMT
#1366
On August 10 2013 06:10 Kuroeeah wrote:
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On August 10 2013 06:06 TheYango wrote:
Draft was not what lost DK that game, 2009 was saying that if it was 2 nameless teams and not Alliance vs. DK, DK's draft would be 70/30 against Alliance's draft.

Alliance recognized what was important that game and executed well. They made good trades when DK had the advantage, and capitalized on DK's mistakes. The gem loss near Rosh where s4 lasso-ed ROTK from under 4 DK players' noses was absolutely game changing.

i think it was few things. the xp advantage was important honestly, i don't know why LD and Lumi were saying it didn't matter when the reality was that the supports of Alliance were near level 20 and DK were like at level 12 and i didn't feel super contributed at all in terms of damage.

linkin might not have been a bad choice but i don't think going both bkb and linkin was smart when you sacrifice any going items that can give damage.

Again, that was entirely a product of the lost gem at the Rosh pit. When you lose all your wards on the map, your supports can't do anything but wait behind the carries because you simply cannot farm enough to be worth the risk of a solo kill on you turning into a free tower or Roshan. The gold/XP graphs were reasonably close until DK lost their gem, at which point Alliance's advantage skyrocketed because Batrider + Furion + took enemy's gem locks down the entire map.

DK basically lost that gem for free too because I don't think they'd done anything to Alliance's vision when they lost it.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 09 2013 21:13 GMT
#1367
On August 10 2013 06:11 Tarot wrote:
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On August 10 2013 06:07 pyro19 wrote:
On August 10 2013 06:01 Comeh wrote:
On August 10 2013 06:01 superstartran wrote:
On August 10 2013 05:59 Comeh wrote:
On August 10 2013 05:59 DDie wrote:
On August 10 2013 05:57 Comeh wrote:
Admiral Bulldog pretty much won the game for Alliance - if that wasn't a NP, DK would have pushed to win that game a long time ago.

Also holy shit those forcestaffs.



That's pretty much every game of alliance, to be honest, his prophet is WAY stronger than LD.

After the armlet nerf, I don't see any reason to ban LD over NP against Alliance anymore.



Bulldog wins lanes he has no business winning with LD. You cannot allow it to go through or he gets an 18 minute midas Radience.

LD wins lanes, sometimes.

NP wins games.

NP won this game for alliance - the split push meant DK couldn't teamfight comfortably.


Bulldog LD wins Games...Always
He plays the LD to near perfection and I have rarely seen his LD lose..You have to ban both NP and LD against Bulldog and then you open up yourself for either a Wisp or Bat and If Alliance Bans them both then you get a Fair game.

China Bans Wisp + Druid -> Bulldog always gets his NP

One of the Reasons why Western teams can atleast take games off Alliance in Online cups (Mouz ,Kaipi)

Yeah, it's almost like the Eastern teams start off with 0 bans, since they have to ban LD and Wisp all the time.

I again don't think that's correct, I think you need to ban both LD and furion vs AdmiralBulldog or just ban neither, his Prophet really isn't behind his LD... Just banning LD and letting him get NP = waste
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
August 09 2013 21:13 GMT
#1368
BURNING ANTIMAGE
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
August 09 2013 21:13 GMT
#1369
lol "Magic Sucks" signs
yyfpulls
Profile Joined November 2012
United States2185 Posts
August 09 2013 21:13 GMT
#1370
Super needs a pace setter hero.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 09 2013 21:13 GMT
#1371
On August 10 2013 06:11 BlueFlames wrote:
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On August 10 2013 06:11 Plansix wrote:
On August 10 2013 06:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On August 10 2013 06:08 Grettin wrote:
On August 10 2013 06:07 figq wrote:
On August 10 2013 06:05 Firebolt145 wrote:
Yo, every other tournament in the world. Watch this and learn, please.


Well, to be honest, all they think when they watch is: "We wish we had the money to do this".


And all i'm thinking is why doesn't other games/companies sell their stuff like Valve, so they could afford at least a bit of this. Compendium for example.


They sell HD passes or pay per view and people hate them for it ;x

Sell anything and have people hate it. Dota 2 gets away with what other people wish they could.


No Valve sells quality. Thats the difference.

And all those steam games made by other people. Its a real boost to the budget.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 09 2013 21:13 GMT
#1372
Prophet again.

I think DK needs to pick a hero that can deal with him (storm??)
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cupoftealove
Profile Joined August 2012
325 Posts
August 09 2013 21:14 GMT
#1373
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
August 09 2013 21:14 GMT
#1374
I hope DK splitpushes the shit out of alliance. Lets go DK!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
August 09 2013 21:14 GMT
#1375
IN B-GOD WE TRUST!!!
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 21:14:55
August 09 2013 21:14 GMT
#1376
prophet makes me want to cry so hard to play against

prophet is like MMA at his best, multitasking you with drops on all bases
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 09 2013 21:14 GMT
#1377
On August 10 2013 06:12 OrchidThief wrote:
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On August 10 2013 06:10 AimForTheBushes wrote:
On August 10 2013 06:05 sorrowptoss wrote:
TI easily has the best production in esports at the moment afaik


Without a doubt. Somewhere in a dark room, Sundance Giovanni (the MLG boss guy) is probably sobbing hysterically. This makes every other event look amateurish.


It's easy when you can throw arbitrary amounts of money after their one big tournament without really worrying about making a profit from it. Unlike what a ton of the other tournaments have to do.


Yeah it's really impressive what smaller studios like ESL and NASL can do with production
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Ruccola
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway81 Posts
August 09 2013 21:14 GMT
#1378
Go go 18-0!
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
August 09 2013 21:14 GMT
#1379
Banning gyro, PL etc.. Generally a terrible idea against alliance. Carry pick is their lowest priority.
l3loodraven
Profile Joined July 2013
2753 Posts
August 09 2013 21:14 GMT
#1380
how do you counter loda AM?

BURNING AM
"fear.dankness cuts deeper than swords"
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