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On August 10 2013 11:33 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:31 iv~nk~j wrote:On August 10 2013 11:28 JerKy wrote:
dohohoho the amount of salt right now is so much more than the PL Alliance game yesterday that might be because PL is just one hero among many (and not even that good one) whereas this fountain hook abuse was incredibly cheap also i don't see how anyone can argue the fountain hook is a high risk high reward play, dendi only landed like 1 out of 5 of their fountain hook attempts and the failed attemps didn't really hurt them at all, he just kept fishing until he hit one and then it was guaranteed kill because TF didn't capitalize on failed hooks. but sure, being in Na'vi's situation a 4v5 fight would have been SOOOOOOO favorable
It is hard to capitalize on because pudge has 3 seconds to walk forward while the rest of his team backs. If you walk forward to catch out the rest of his team, then he hooks you and thats instantly 1 hero down. If he hooks the carry then its GG. If you walk away to avoid the hook then you can't go back to catch out the rest of his team afterwards. There is literally 0 risk and massive reward. It does take skill to land the hook but even if he misses, he just comes back 20 seconds later and tries again. The strategy is just cheesy as shit. Maelk understood that, but it seems the casuals in this thread just like watching fountain hooks because it's "entertaining".
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I don't care much about anything but the fountain hooks made me shut off the game because it stopped being entertaining for me.
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On August 10 2013 11:33 WindWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:32 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 10 2013 11:31 WindWolf wrote:
Even FGC-persons is impressed by this! Plenty of salt over that last game hue. What do you mean?
Everyone arguing one way or the other about fountain hooks.
Salty = FGC lingo for being bitter over a game/results.
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On August 10 2013 11:38 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:36 anonymitylol wrote:On August 10 2013 11:35 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 11:32 anonymitylol wrote:On August 10 2013 11:31 Tomca wrote:
I really don't get ppl complaining about fountain hooks. It's a cool feature in game and also very double edged sword. Sending pudge home can cost you teamfights so easily. Sadly, TongFu didn't capitalise on failed hooks.
Very well deserved win, suck it haters they're the same people who complain about cheese in BW/SC2, basically people who have never actually played a video game in their life and live to complain about how others player games It's not a 'cheese' though. They were only doing it because they were super far behind. When playing that far behind, you have literally no risk in doing it, especially if you are on your side of the map and by a tower. The fact that Dendi hit Hao when he had an aegis was a monumental deal; that swung the momentum heavily into Navi's favor. "no risk in doing it" yeah except fighting 4v5 if you miss the hook, you know how little of a risk that is against a team with a farm advantage over you No.... they did it 30+ times and had no problems from it. Just send pudge ahead with forcestaff, team backs up, nobody gets caught, pudge is back with the team within 10 sec.
Hitting hook is really easy and undodgeable, especially after being force staffed. OH WAIT
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On August 10 2013 11:38 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:37 TheYango wrote:On August 10 2013 11:31 Numy wrote:On August 10 2013 11:30 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 11:28 anonymitylol wrote:On August 10 2013 11:27 Fruscainte wrote:On August 10 2013 11:26 lolfail9001 wrote:
So... they used the Pudge hook circus to allow XBOCT to farm without a big problems after that some clutch teamfights and gg
Precisely. And people are saying Na'Vi are killing and disrespecting esports apparently because of this. This is fucking entertainment Na'Vi are terrible people for using an intended in-game mechanic to win a game in a tournament where the 1st prize is 1.4 million dollars, they should be banned from all dota tournaments for life I don't think IceFrog or the developers thought anyone would actually have the execution to pull it off. However, it does feel 100% bullshit from a player's standpoint that you outplay the other team the entire time, have a timing push with an aegis, and then lose because you lose the aegis to a borderline abuse that you honestly cannot outplay apart from 'dodging.' Kind of funny that Maelk echoed the thought. On August 10 2013 11:31 nojok wrote:On August 10 2013 11:30 Cubu wrote:
the hook teleport combo is just toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo gimicky. It's a low risk high reward strat. Yeah sure it takes ALOT OF SKILL but what can the enemy do when the pudge can do it well? So being 4o5 in the ennemy jungle is low risk... In a game like that yes. They lose 5v5 so being 4v5 is meaningless. If they get the hook though they shut down TF. 2009 was loving every minute of it. Well ok, that's not true. He was pretty miffed about it for a while but the moment he realized that Na'Vi could actually win he went nuts. So he was mad at the "delaying" not the actual "abuse" I guess?
No he wasn't really that mad about anything. Just standard, stoic 2009 commentating. Often they would contain some bias towards Tongfu, but thats expected obviously and when Na'Vi won he actually congratulated them for managing to pull this off.
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On August 10 2013 11:35 Abominous wrote:
People are acting like fountain hooks are instant wins...
Because newborns with milk still on their whiskers think they know dota after watching half a tournament in their whole lives, and propose balance changes.
There is no other team in the world that would have balls big enough to use this all-in strategy at a such a prestigious tournament. Na'Vi thrive in such a position. They are chaos perfected. That's why they are the crowd favourites.
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On August 10 2013 11:35 IPA wrote:
For the criers: do you hear yourselves? Jesus, stop being such whining bitches. We just witnessed something insane, funny, maddening, entertaining, ________, riveting -- a real moment. Get over yourselves. Get a tissue.
What a fucking game.
Imagine they start doing it every game.
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On August 10 2013 11:38 OneOther wrote:
New to Dota2: stupid question.
How does "fountain hook" work exactly? Pudge uses a meat hook and then Chen teleports Pudge to their base, bringing the enemy all the way to the base? Chen ends up at the home base, too?
chen casts a spell on an allied hero (pudge in this case) which sends them to the fountain in X seconds (3 at max rank). there's a (visible) buff counting down on the hero once it's been cast on them.
the pudge then casts hook just as he's about to be teleported. when the hook hits it brings whatever it hits to pudge. there's a cast animation to it, so if timed right, and targeted well, the enemy hero gets dragged all the way across the map as pudge gets sent to the fountain
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Ya after thinking about it, I think it was more Tongfu's fault than fountain hook costing Na'vi the game. I think they could've actually pushed and exploited the times Pudge missed hooks and Xboct was off farming. They definitely had timing windows there, but it still sucks to see it.
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On August 10 2013 11:38 OneOther wrote:
New to Dota2: stupid question.
How does "fountain hook" work exactly? Pudge uses a meat hook and then Chen teleports Pudge to their base, bringing the enemy all the way to the base? Chen ends up at the home base, too?
1. Chen activates the send back on Pudge - its on a timer, 3 seconds I think.
2. Pudge throws out a hook and hook's someone.
3. In mid air of the hero getting hooked, the send back timer goes off and Pudge is sent back to base (fountain)
4. The hero in mid hook gets dragged ALL the way back to Pudge's base (fountain) and the fountain does massive damage.
5. Pudge uses his ULT and keeps the hero there for 3 seconds with the fountains damage = instant kill with no chance to stop it really.
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lol Anuxi bets her own rares
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god, i am loving this. even better than navi pulling out this absurd win is the fact that so many people have to eat their words.
all the people who were complaining about navi just delaying/trolling a game that was already lost. it gives me such a warm fuzzy feeling to see that pie dripping from your stupid faces.
with this much money on the line, you wouldn't give up even if you had a 1/1000 chance.
that was some julius caesar shit. alea iacta est.
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Answer this question haters, why aren't other teams abusing this if it's so easily abused? Fountain hooks make the pudge miss out on valuable gold and exp (buying a TP everytime it fails, which is more often than not). Tongfu just got overconfident and didn't punish Navi enough.
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It was also way better than that 99 min game yesterday.
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On August 10 2013 11:32 OfficeBrahzz wrote:
until this crap is nerfed. this is the new DOTA meta
seriously, every pro player in the international can hit those fountain hooks they take SKILL to land but every team has that skill i believe.. i garuntee fountain hooks will be ALOT more common, until pro players catch on and ban chen every game. however likely this may happen very quickly because i garuntee tongfu will be banning one of those heroes every game from now on
You can't imagine how wrong you are.
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On August 10 2013 11:39 nojok wrote:
This thread reached the level of a cheeseful GSL day SC2 report thread.
This is way worse lol.
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Anyone saying it's "low risk" is either dumb or has never played dota in their life
Why is this topic still going on?
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On August 10 2013 11:39 Gheizen64 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:27 Canucklehead wrote:
As a new dota watcher, those pudge/chen hooks combo were disgusting to watch. Valve should looking into patching that. Just doesn't make sense to me as a new watcher. Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:27 Pr0wler wrote:
That "fountain hook" is complete bullshit if you ask me. Dendi was failing for half an hour, hit 3-4 hooks - boom game is won. Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:27 Kabras wrote:
what a shit game, terrible fucking dota all tournament long. farm fest or gimmicks, nobody can teamfight or initiate anymore. except s4. and super. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHUEHEUHUEHUEHUHEUEHAHAHHAHAHEUHEUEHUEHUEHUHEUEHUEHUEHUHUEUEUHUEHUEHUEUHHEUEEEHUEUHEUHEUEHUEEUEHEHUEHEHAHAHAHAHHUEHUEHUEHUEUEHUEUEHUEHUHEUEHUEHHEUHEUEHUHUEUUEUEHUEUEEHHEHEHUUEHUEHUEHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH User was warned for this post
1022 posts. Are they all this intelligent? You're a credit to your forefathers.
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