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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:39 Gheizen64 wrote: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHUEHEUHUEHUEHUHEUEHAHAHHAHAHEUHEUEHUEHUEHUHEUEHUEHUEHUHUEUEUHUEHUEHUEUHHEUEEEHUEUHEUHEUEHUEEUEHEHUEHEHAHAHAHAHHUEHUEHUEHUEUEHUEUEHUEHUHEUEHUEHHEUHEUEHUHUEUUEUEHUEUEEHHEHEHUUEHUEHUEHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH they mad | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:31 pdd wrote: Regardless of whines about the OP-ness of the fountain hook, bear in mind that because Dendi didn't have his Force Staff, it required 3 people to coordinate and time it. Not particularly an easy feat. I'm wondering if things might have been different if TongFu attacked when they saw a failed fountain hook. 5v4 is pretty good odds no, with no risk any further fountain hooks for the next minute or so. Okay, people are really overselling the "coordination" of the fountain hook. You understand they can talk to each other, right? You understand Chen's send back isn't something he does in response to a hook? It doesn't require multi-person timing. Dendi says "send me back", Puppey doesn't just cast it when he feels an opportunity with his star sense. | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25657 Posts
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:38 OneOther wrote: New to Dota2: stupid question. How does "fountain hook" work exactly? Pudge uses a meat hook and then Chen teleports Pudge to their base, bringing the enemy all the way to the base? Chen ends up at the home base, too? chen doesn't end up at home base. chen casts a spell and pudge has a small window to hook someone. after the window, he gets sent back with or without th ehooked opponent. if you hook someone and you finish the hook before the teleport, then the other champ doesn't get teleported either. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:38 OneOther wrote: New to Dota2: stupid question. How does "fountain hook" work exactly? Pudge uses a meat hook and then Chen teleports Pudge to their base, bringing the enemy all the way to the base? Chen ends up at the home base, too? Chen casts the spell on an allied hero and after a delay (something like 4 seconds I think?) that hero is teleported back. Chen stays where he is. So it requires some pretty technical timing (remember how many times pros actually messed it up that game). | ||
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Shadowpostin
Germany798 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:38 OneOther wrote: New to Dota2: stupid question. How does "fountain hook" work exactly? Pudge uses a meat hook and then Chen teleports Pudge to their base, bringing the enemy all the way to the base? Chen ends up at the home base, too? no,chen has a ability that sends people back after a few seconds if they don't get hit pudge needs to throw his hook in that short amount of time and hit someone so when he does he gets auto teleported to his base but the hook still latches so the enemy hero that got hooked just flys with him all the way back | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:37 PartyBiscuit wrote: Every time it fails, the field is now 4v5 for 20+ seconds, TF pretty much never tried to initiate or push when that happened and just jungled. That's exactly was Tongfu was doing; they were winning every fight because Dendi kept missing hooks. The second Dendi started hitting hooks though the game swung immediately into Navi's favor because they instagibbed a Doom, Gyro twice (once with Aegis), and their supports a few times. | ||
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Mensol
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:39 Grettin wrote: Chen sends only the player he casts the spell on. So teleport on pudge, pudge hooks just before the TP happens, if hook lands it will drag the hooked hero with him to the fountain. Thanks  Dota2 seems really cool. Only if I had more time heh. | ||
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mjxn
Australia939 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:38 OneOther wrote: New to Dota2: stupid question. How does "fountain hook" work exactly? Pudge uses a meat hook and then Chen teleports Pudge to their base, bringing the enemy all the way to the base? Chen ends up at the home base, too? Yeah that's essentially it. The hook if latched needs to complete so the latched hero follows the Pudge back to base. Chen does not go back to base, its one of his skills to send a teammate or ally unit home. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Doesn't matter if it worked, all that matters is that navi tried it in the first place. Every other team in the long history of dota would be too scared to pull this off in such a game. Not like any other team would pick PAJ in TI semis to begin with lmao. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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eng.nayR
United States468 Posts
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JumboJohnson
537 Posts
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ZiRn1tRa
Czech Republic54 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:33 xyzz wrote: I have yet to see any 'creative special strategies' in SC2 where if you can time 2 abilities well you one shot the enemy army. Every argument that 'this is hard' are ridiculous. It's not hard for the best players in the world since they do this every day all the time. it was called fungal growth, except you didn't have to time it, it wasn't creative and it was just one ability. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:38 TanKLoveR wrote: Ugh you people seriously are .... You're all about gimicky bs, "OPA DENDI OPA XD!!" like this hook or freaking Ursa and meepo ugh. What a ton of crap, that was a disgusting game and Na'Vi should be ashamed. But nope, everyone stood and screamed and clapped at such a shameful display, there was no skill, no team play just fucking luck. I hope Alliance destroys these people tomorrow, I look forward to it. OH NO PEOPLE ARE PLAYING TO WIN IN A 1.4 MILLION DOLLAR FIRST PRIZE TOURNAMENT A BLOO BLOO BLOO :| | ||
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Abominous
Croatia1625 Posts
Well played, sir, well played. | ||
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wurm
Philippines2296 Posts
"Pudge-Chen broken" "Fountain hook new meta" "Valve fix" lol | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:37 PartyBiscuit wrote: Every time it fails, the field is now 4v5 for 20+ seconds, TF pretty much never tried to initiate or push when that happened and just jungled. Not really. As Draskyl pointed out Pudge can just tp back. And the force staff + hook range means chen is about 1500++ range from Tongfu. So i think the risk is exagerrated. It still takes coordination to execute though so props to them for that. Just feels like the old CK where he had that ridiculous crit My feelings is just like Maelk's. The feeling is that Icefrog left it in for novelty because it's funny ( just like chaos mode). But once it starts affecting competitive dota then maybe icefrog will take a second look at it. But as a competitor, do whatever you can to win. More importantly : Anuxi sets best sets. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
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