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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50611 Posts
August 10 2013 02:41 GMT
#5721
On August 10 2013 11:40 opterown wrote:
Poll: Head?

Alliance (110)
 
70%

Natus Vincere (48)
 
30%

158 total votes

Your vote: Head?

(Vote): Natus Vincere
(Vote): Alliance


Poll: Heart?

Natus Vincere (90)
 
53%

Alliance (81)
 
47%

171 total votes

Your vote: Heart?

(Vote): Natus Vincere
(Vote): Alliance



ohhh dis gon b gud
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Slakkoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1119 Posts
August 10 2013 02:41 GMT
#5722
mushi <3
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
August 10 2013 02:42 GMT
#5723
Dota is full of imba combos. Don't like fountain hooks? If you are facing a team that can actually pull that off successfully, then ban either Pudge or Chen. Just my opinion.
Brood War loyalist
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 02:43:23
August 10 2013 02:42 GMT
#5724
On August 10 2013 11:39 LeCruci wrote:
Can you elaborate pls? What was he saying?

Basically that after the Ursa pick game 2 and the Pudge pick game 3, he had completely misjudged Na'Vi as a team drunk on the fanfare and their success. He mistook their supreme self-confidence for hubris, and was amazed at how they proved him wrong.

"Impossible is nothing."

I should also note that 2009 is an incredible Puppey fan because he left a deep impression during the time 2009 subbed for Ks.Int. Playing and learning DotA from Puppey during that time was a very formative experience for him.
Moderator
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
August 10 2013 02:42 GMT
#5725
On August 10 2013 11:41 Latham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 11:35 Abominous wrote:
People are acting like fountain hooks are instant wins...


Because newborns with milk still on their whiskers think they know dota after watching half a tournament in their whole lives, and propose balance changes.

There is no other team in the world that would have balls big enough to use this all-in strategy at a such a prestigious tournament. Na'Vi thrive in such a position. They are chaos perfected. That's why they are the crowd favourites.


It's like someone puts on a SC2 tournament, sees a 6 pool, sees it win, and goes "OMG FIX 6 POOL SO BROKEN"

That's not an exaggeration, that's precisely what's happening right now.
AlexYs
Profile Joined September 2012
Zimbabwe357 Posts
August 10 2013 02:42 GMT
#5726
Era shape-shifting into Mushi. :D
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
August 10 2013 02:42 GMT
#5727
On August 10 2013 11:39 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 11:36 OfficeBrahzz wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:33 Fruscainte wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:32 OfficeBrahzz wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:28 OfficeBrahzz wrote:
as far as im concerned. this is another reason why chen should just be banned every game

or pudge too if you dont ban chen.

without the abuse of blatantly overpowered fountain hooks, chen is the bigger threat and the better thing to ban.

















as far as im concerned. this is another reason why chen should just be banned every game

or pudge too if you dont ban chen.

without the abuse of blatantly overpowered fountain hooks, chen is the bigger threat and the better thing to ban.












dont ban either hero you get what you deserve




until this crap is nerfed. this is the new DOTA meta

seriously, every pro player in the international can hit those fountain hooks they take SKILL to land but every team has that skill i believe.. i garuntee fountain hooks will be ALOT more common, until pro players catch on and ban chen every game. however likely this may happen very quickly because i garuntee tongfu will be banning one of those heroes every game from now on


Just...Just stop talking about a game you clearly know nothing about.

Bullshit like this has been happening for years in DotA.



never on a stage this big in order to prove how strong the combo truly is



i garuntee tongfu has learned their lesson. watch them ban or firstpick chen/pudge every game from now on

i expect almost every game from now on will have chen or pudge bans from now on after seeing what power the fountain hooks have


Dude just stop talking.

People have known fountain hooks could do this for YEARS now.

If it was overpowered as you state everyone would be doing it.

Jesus, I don't go into professional tekken threads and start bashing player strategies because I don't know anything about the game or the scene. Why are you doing that here?

Seriously. Na'Vi is the only team on the planet with the massive balls it takes to bet $1,400,000 on an iffy timing that takes two heroes to pull off and is countered by creeps.

It's like someone winning an OSL with a worker rush after losing all their buildings but a depot.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
TanKLoveR
Profile Joined August 2008
Venezuela838 Posts
August 10 2013 02:42 GMT
#5728
On August 10 2013 11:40 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 11:38 TanKLoveR wrote:
Ugh you people seriously are ....

You're all about gimicky bs, "OPA DENDI OPA XD!!" like this hook or freaking Ursa and meepo ugh. What a ton of crap, that was a disgusting game and Na'Vi should be ashamed. But nope, everyone stood and screamed and clapped at such a shameful display, there was no skill, no team play just fucking luck. I hope Alliance destroys these people tomorrow, I look forward to it.


OH NO PEOPLE ARE PLAYING TO WIN IN A 1.4 MILLION DOLLAR FIRST PRIZE TOURNAMENT

A BLOO BLOO BLOO

:|

It's not even about Na'Vi doing anything they can to win even if its completely retarded and turned me off from supporting them, it's the fact that people are celebrating this kind of BS. That "victory" was 100% luck, Na'Vi displayed NO skill in that match.
Moroshima Haruka, forever best girl. My dream is to die thinking "Wow, that was fun. I'm tired."
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 10 2013 02:42 GMT
#5729
LETS GO ORANGE!
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
Uquu
Profile Joined April 2011
Finland474 Posts
August 10 2013 02:42 GMT
#5730
Good job Mushi!
|| Thorzain || Grubby || NesTea || Jaedong || Flash || Ferrari_430 ||
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
August 10 2013 02:42 GMT
#5731
not sure if I want to cheer for Mushi and Net or for western dota
Tunga
Profile Joined August 2011
United States765 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 02:43:09
August 10 2013 02:42 GMT
#5732
I'm still calling it a fraudulent win though. Even if I blame Tongfu more for that loss than fountain hooks.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
August 10 2013 02:42 GMT
#5733
On August 10 2013 11:42 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 11:39 LeCruci wrote:
Can you elaborate pls? What was he saying?

Basically that after the Ursa pick game 2 and the Pudge pick game 3, he had completely misjudged Na'Vi as a team drunk on the fanfare and their success. He mistook their supreme self-confidence for hubris, and was amazed at how they proved him wrong.

"Impossible is nothing."

I wouldn't doubt Navi was at least partially drunk.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
August 10 2013 02:43 GMT
#5734
I really don't get how people can compare fountain hooking to SC2 cheeses, if you fail a cheese you are usually dead.
Here you TP back to your base, either misses out on a teamfight or your camping spot(if you were just trying to get a hook off).
(your team could also wait to see if you hook actually hit and back off.
The curse is real
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
August 10 2013 02:43 GMT
#5735
On August 10 2013 11:41 templar rage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 11:39 nojok wrote:
This thread reached the level of a cheeseful GSL day SC2 report thread.


This is way worse lol.



No way man, you should have seen it when Hyperdub two raxed TLO out of GSL............Team liquid almost burnt down that day! =P
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
August 10 2013 02:43 GMT
#5736
On August 10 2013 11:41 Tunga wrote:
Ya after thinking about it, I think it was more Tongfu's fault than fountain hook costing Na'vi the game. I think they could've actually pushed and exploited the times Pudge missed hooks and Xboct was off farming. They definitely had timing windows there, but it still sucks to see it.



Tongfu was doing that exactly as planned. Get Aegis, push in rax and win before Alchemist is strong enough to 1v1 him. However, that all went down the shitter once Dendi hooked him into the fountain.
johnnyb211
Profile Joined July 2013
1452 Posts
August 10 2013 02:43 GMT
#5737
On August 10 2013 11:40 Mensol wrote:
anyone know when is the dota 2 documentary? is it today or tomorrow?


you mean for us, who are watching from home? months bro, months, only the guys there get a sneak peak
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 02:43:37
August 10 2013 02:43 GMT
#5738
I don't think that would Na'vi did is the most broken thing in Dota although I think you can make arguments that it should be changed. I think that changing Hook to work how it does in WC3 would be better though.

For those of you who don't know, in Dota 2, the hook travels based on where you cast it from and always pulls the hooked unit to Pudge no matter where he is. In WC3, it's the opposite--the hook's position is based on Pudge's position/facing, and it always pulls the hooked unit to where he casts it from. This means that Force Staff is a lot more interesting, because you can throw out a hook and then get forced to extend the range (which requires a lot of precision). This means fountain hooks are still possible if you have a hero that pulls Pudge out of the fountain (Wisp/KotL), but is again harder, and less likely to kill the target because Pudge will not be at the fountain waiting to disable you so the fountain can kill you.
rip
HotGlueGun
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1409 Posts
August 10 2013 02:43 GMT
#5739
Tongfu bring shame to China. What is the correct response to a team going for fountain hooks that aggressively?
Don't hoot with the Owls at night if you cant soar with the Eagles at dawn.
ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
August 10 2013 02:43 GMT
#5740
LETS GO ORANGE!!!
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