EPT[TI3] Playoffs Day 3 - Page 284
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Abominous
Croatia1625 Posts
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:30 Cubu wrote: the hook teleport combo is just toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo gimicky. It's a low risk high reward strat. Yeah sure it takes ALOT OF SKILL but what can the enemy do when the pudge can do it well? Take map control and shut the fuck out of Alchemist. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:33 xyzz wrote: I have yet to see any 'creative special strategies' in SC2 where if you can time 2 abilities well you one shot the enemy army. Every argument that 'this is hard' are ridiculous. It's not hard for the best players in the world since they do this every day all the time. Archon Toilet? The entire WoL PvZ lategame revolved around that. Also EMP + Nuke in BW | ||
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mjxn
Australia939 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:36 nonsequitur wrote: Why is Bulba telling everyone what they are going to ban. Good guy Bulba, fan favourite  | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:37 TheYango wrote: 2009 was loving every minute of it. Well ok, that's not true. He was pretty miffed about it for a while but the moment he realized that Na'Vi could actually win he went nuts. So he was mad at the "delaying" not the actual "abuse" I guess? | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:32 LSB wrote: Not only is it hard to pull off, it is incredibly risky, if you try that hook tp combo and miss, you are leaving your team to fight 5v4, as well as losing chen's sendback which may have helped you not lose the game out of the lopsided teamfight. It is extremely risky and should only be attempted if you are far behind + Show Spoiler + Or far enough ahead you can just mess around In the end, 2.8 million is at stake, this isn't just a pub match everyone have fun. lol hard to pull off. half of those were blind hooks. when blind fountain hooks connect it becoes a "incredible play" | ||
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TanKLoveR
Venezuela838 Posts
You're all about gimicky bs, "OPA DENDI OPA XD!!" like this hook or freaking Ursa and meepo ugh. What a ton of crap, that was a disgusting game and Na'Vi should be ashamed. But nope, everyone stood and screamed and clapped at such a shameful display, there was no skill, no team play just fucking luck. I hope Alliance destroys these people tomorrow, I look forward to it. | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
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maru~
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Grettin
42400 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:38 OneOther wrote: New to Dota2: stupid question. How does "fountain hook" work exactly? Pudge uses a meat hook and then Chen teleports Pudge to their base, bringing the enemy all the way to the base? Chen ends up at the home base, too? Chen sends only the player he casts the spell on. So teleport on pudge, pudge hooks just before the TP happens, if hook lands it will drag the hooked hero with him to the fountain. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Cubu
1171 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:34 Y wrote: Yo guys, do you all get whiny about castling or en passant in chess too? "Such a cheap move, 0/10, Kasparov killing chess, Volvo nerf Rook plz"? both players can do castling. Only the team with pudge can do it. So not exactly a fair comparison | ||
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LeCruci
Romania403 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:37 TheYango wrote: 2009 was loving every minute of it. Well ok, that's not true. He was pretty miffed about it for a while but the moment he realized that Na'Vi could actually win he went nuts. Can you elaborate pls? What was he saying? | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:36 OfficeBrahzz wrote: never on a stage this big in order to prove how strong the combo truly is i garuntee tongfu has learned their lesson. watch them ban or firstpick chen/pudge every game from now on i expect almost every game from now on will have chen or pudge bans from now on after seeing what power the fountain hooks have Dude just stop talking. People have known fountain hooks could do this for YEARS now. If it was overpowered as you state everyone would be doing it. Jesus, I don't go into professional tekken threads and start bashing player strategies because I don't know anything about the game or the scene. Why are you doing that here? | ||
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Gheizen64
Italy2077 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:27 Canucklehead wrote: As a new dota watcher, those pudge/chen hooks combo were disgusting to watch. Valve should looking into patching that. Just doesn't make sense to me as a new watcher. On August 10 2013 11:27 Pr0wler wrote: That "fountain hook" is complete bullshit if you ask me. Dendi was failing for half an hour, hit 3-4 hooks - boom game is won. On August 10 2013 11:27 Kabras wrote: what a shit game, terrible fucking dota all tournament long. farm fest or gimmicks, nobody can teamfight or initiate anymore. except s4. and super. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHUEHEUHUEHUEHUHEUEHAHAHHAHAHEUHEUEHUEHUEHUHEUEHUEHUEHUHUEUEUHUEHUEHUEUHHEUEEEHUEUHEUHEUEHUEEUEHEHUEHEHAHAHAHAHHUEHUEHUEHUEUEHUEUEHUEHUHEUEHUEHHEUHEUEHUHUEUUEUEHUEUEEHHEHEHUUEHUEHUEHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH User was warned for this post | ||
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Sphaero
Germany1697 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:30 Cubu wrote: the hook teleport combo is just toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo gimicky. It's a low risk high reward strat. Yeah sure it takes ALOT OF SKILL but what can the enemy do when the pudge can do it well? Low risk? If it does not work and your Pudge has no BoT you essentially give your opponents a big window to fight 5v4 for a time. It is a really strong combo, but extremely hard to execute, because without a setup the timing is really hard to get. For me it is not different to a vac into ice path combination, just harder and single target. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:38 OneOther wrote: New to Dota2: stupid question. How does "fountain hook" work exactly? Pudge uses a meat hook and then Chen teleports Pudge to their base, bringing the enemy all the way to the base? Chen ends up at the home base, too? Just pudge ends up back in the home base | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:38 OneOther wrote: New to Dota2: stupid question. How does "fountain hook" work exactly? Pudge uses a meat hook and then Chen teleports Pudge to their base, bringing the enemy all the way to the base? Chen ends up at the home base, too? Only the unit Chen targets goes home (along with the enemy unit if its Pudge hooook :D) | ||
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goody153
44277 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:36 Gevna wrote: I think the best thing with this game was actually the thread and casters. Reading and hearing for 15 minutes how Navi got no chance at coming back and how fucking awful navi was delaying the loss. Suddenly all the space they created for Hvost showed in a 20K net worth alche choping everybody. LR thread made the game :D exactly TF left alche for a very long time .. and the BKB and speed hack of alchemist will just chop everyone | ||
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Scio
Germany522 Posts
On August 10 2013 11:32 Kreb wrote: After watching that. Yea, fountain-hooking should probably be fixed. That said: its allowed, its a crowd pleaser, it looks really cool. WP Navi. I can guarantee though that if this becomes a common strategy theres gonna be lots of calls for fixing it. This is the typical kind of strategy that is fun the first and second time, not the 50th (SC2 achon toilets says hello. That was also awesome first few times). But thats the thing. Fountain-hooking has been possible for a long time and has NEVER been used to this effect. How can it be cheap or "low-risk" if noone has ever deployed that trick to this effect? Its like perfect immortal/warpprism micro vs roches, maybe wasnt intended from the developers but people figured it out and it is accepted because its a super-niche strategy that is fucking hard to pull off. | ||
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