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I give up, to many new people who didn't played the game enough and trying to talk balance.
On August 10 2013 11:23 DDie wrote: I will bet ANY amount of money that this game from Na'VI will be elected as ''The Play'' of this year.
Haters gonna hate, go back to league of legends.
And the crowd disagrees with you all.
My bet is still on.
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On August 10 2013 11:32 JerKy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On August 10 2013 11:27 qoiN wrote: 1 hook, main carry + aegis gone immediately. No way to fight back. ya, that's not unfair right? It's bullshit no matter how you see it. This what? lol pudge hook is a skillshot. they knew that threat was there they decided to take the risk, and it didnt work out for them it was a high risk high reward play for both teams if pudge missed hook, then TF would have killed a couple heroes, raxed probably, and won game from there maybe if pudge landed hook, then they nullify the presence of aegis what is so hard to understand?? Yes it is high risk, but with extreme reward. U dont hit, u try again. U hit, u win the game. The 1st few hooks, I was impressed and excited. But after that, its too much of an abuse that its just not entertaining anymore.
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On August 10 2013 11:32 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Why does it matter if it's hard... it's very low risk, you just send your pudge back home and try again. They literally tried it 30 times, has nothing to do with skill just luck. It was low risk in this game, if doom was a real initator it was really high risk. They abused a flaw in tong fu draft, not a game flaw.
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On August 10 2013 11:32 OfficeBrahzz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:28 OfficeBrahzz wrote: as far as im concerned. this is another reason why chen should just be banned every game
or pudge too if you dont ban chen.
without the abuse of blatantly overpowered fountain hooks, chen is the bigger threat and the better thing to ban.
as far as im concerned. this is another reason why chen should just be banned every game
or pudge too if you dont ban chen.
without the abuse of blatantly overpowered fountain hooks, chen is the bigger threat and the better thing to ban.
dont ban either hero you get what you deserve until this crap is nerfed. this is the new DOTA meta seriously, every pro player in the international can hit those fountain hooks they take SKILL to land but every team has that skill i believe.. i garuntee fountain hooks will be ALOT more common, until pro players catch on and ban chen every game. however likely this may happen very quickly because i garuntee tongfu will be banning one of those heroes every game from now on Is this thread full of people brand new to Dota?
Everyone knows about fountain hooks. They will not be any more popular than they were before that game.
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On August 10 2013 11:30 misirlou wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:27 oxxo wrote:On August 10 2013 11:25 hefty wrote:On August 10 2013 11:20 Cubu wrote:On August 10 2013 11:19 anonymitylol wrote:On August 10 2013 11:19 Cubu wrote:On August 10 2013 11:18 blobrus wrote:On August 10 2013 11:16 xyzz wrote:On August 10 2013 11:15 trinxified wrote: Why are people complaining about the hooks? Because the idiot has killed 6 guys with this abusive one shot bulls**t? He's mad. his right. This is a competitive game. This type of bullshit shouldnt be allowed, especially for a competitive game like Dota 2 hey guys let's ban out all unconventional hero combos because a few crybabies on TL don't like it! the hook and chen skill for 1 kill, dont you think that is abit unfair? No, it isn't really that good. It also takes the pudge out of the fight (remember towers are down later in game) and he is a mid hero. So you better trade for a carry. It's relatively low risk for extremely high reward. Pudge has no risk to die, and once towers are down later in the game any fountain hook attempts on Navis side had very very low risk since he doesn't have to go far or TP. On the other hand once it hits late game once you hit a hook you basically win. Can't fault them for using it but it's pretty broken (though admittedly hard to pull off). Low risk? If they miss they have to 4v5 till pudge comes back, TF was running instead of actually pushing the engage The range makes it low risk. They were forcestaffing pudge in. Pudge is automatically safe, and the rest of Navi was already falling back preemptively. Even if TF had wanted to engage after a hook (no evidence that they did) there's no way they can catch up to Navi without over extending and making themselves vulnerable.
Navi won by stalling for the Alch to get big, but while fun in a vacuum it should be pretty clear that the total absence of counter play makes it abusive. It's pretty reasonable to question the mechanic when it let Navi instantly eliminate an aegis Gyro. -Note that I don't blame Navi for using it given their situation, just that if I ran the world it would be changed in the future.
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I really don't like to play dota, i think that hon is a way better game in almost every regard, but holy shit, this game and the first in the serie was completely amazing. Won't miss another Na'vi game
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That was a hilarious game to watch, but once you look at the game objectively it's easy to see what a dumb mechanic that is. Instagib tools have no place in a game like DOTA.
I could maybe justify it if DOTA had no fog of war.
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On August 10 2013 11:33 crc wrote: That was awesome! What do people want?!?! If fountain hooks are abusable, why has no one abused it? It's such a low percentage, high risk and spectacular play, be entertained! Navi played smart and crazy, fan for life :D What are you talking about low percentage high risk? Dendi had over 50% percentage on it.
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On August 10 2013 11:33 trinxified wrote: I bet anyone here who would be in Navi's shoes would use that technique to have a shot to win 1.4 million dollars.
Anyone disagree? i don't think anyone else has the balls
there's a reason no one else does this when moneys on the line. we've seen teams try it in online shit. it's really, really hard and risky.
i can empathise with the wisp/bat/treant complaints 10x easier than this bullshit lmao
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Yo guys, do you all get whiny about castling or en passant in chess too? "Such a cheap move, 0/10, Kasparov killing chess, Volvo nerf Rook plz"?
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On August 10 2013 11:34 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:33 trinxified wrote: I bet anyone here who would be in Navi's shoes would use that technique to have a shot to win 1.4 million dollars.
Anyone disagree? The only portion that annoys me is that the majority is like FUCK YEAH when Navi does what they just did but when DK and iG slug it out over 90 minutes its OMG HOW DARE THEY RUIN MY ENTERTAINMENT.
Yep at least someone gets it.
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That might be the cheesiest win I've ever seen in any game lol.
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Not sure why people bitching about fountain hook lol. Does anyone have any idea how hard it is to pull off? You got a 3s window before you get sent back, thats assuming you move out to hook pretty much instantly as chen cast it on you. Plus at this high level you dont just get to walk up to the enemy team and hook, which is why force staff have to be weaved into the tactic. All in all, its just fucking amazing play. Nothing cheesy, you cant even compare it to like 6 pool or some other cheese in sc2, where its easy to execute and relies on surprise to win. You go load up a game with a buddy and try to do a fountain hook in any pub game, GL HF and watch yourself get reported for feeding
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On August 10 2013 11:33 zezamer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:33 xyzz wrote:I tend to be towards the bottom, you play to win, I mean how many cheese outs have we seen in major SC2 games? Tons I have yet to see any 'creative special strategies' in SC2 where if you can time 2 abilities well you one shot the enemy army. fungal growth + a - move
Fungal Growth + banes. Stim + a - move Fungal + ITs Voidrays
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On August 10 2013 11:34 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:33 trinxified wrote: I bet anyone here who would be in Navi's shoes would use that technique to have a shot to win 1.4 million dollars.
Anyone disagree? The only portion that annoys me is that the majority is like FUCK YEAH when Navi does what they just did but when DK and iG slug it out over 90 minutes its OMG HOW DARE THEY RUIN MY ENTERTAINMENT.
I thought that IG turn around game was easily the best of the tournament.
edit although I enjoyed this game as well
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That was hype at first, but how that turned the tides of the whole match was disgusting to watch. Tongfu probably made a mistake by underestimating the impact of that gimmick and dragging it out to a long game, but that was still a robbery.
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For the criers: do you hear yourselves? Jesus, stop being such whining bitches. We just witnessed something insane, funny, maddening, entertaining, ________, riveting -- a real moment. Get over yourselves. Get a tissue.
What a fucking game.
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On August 10 2013 11:34 DDie wrote:I give up, to many new people who didn't played the game enough and trying to talk balance. Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:23 DDie wrote: I will bet ANY amount of money that this game from Na'VI will be elected as ''The Play'' of this year.
Haters gonna hate, go back to league of legends.
And the crowd disagrees with you all. My bet is still on.
Did you really have to bring league into this? League has nothing to do with your current argument. Stop trying to start wars.
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On August 10 2013 11:33 trinxified wrote: I bet anyone here who would be in Navi's shoes would use that technique to have a shot to win 1.4 million dollars.
Anyone disagree?
I'd be way too scared to try
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On August 10 2013 11:32 anonymitylol wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:31 Tomca wrote: I really don't get ppl complaining about fountain hooks. It's a cool feature in game and also very double edged sword. Sending pudge home can cost you teamfights so easily. Sadly, TongFu didn't capitalise on failed hooks.
Very well deserved win, suck it haters they're the same people who complain about cheese in BW/SC2, basically people who have never actually played a video game in their life and live to complain about how others player games
It's not a 'cheese' though. They were only doing it because they were super far behind. When playing that far behind, you have literally no risk in doing it, especially if you are on your side of the map and by a tower. The fact that Dendi hit Hao when he had an aegis was a monumental deal; that swung the momentum heavily into Navi's favor.
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