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TheKnight
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania77 Posts
August 10 2013 02:32 GMT
#5561
i don't want to judge if it was "fair" or not, but damn it that was the most entertaining game i've seen in a long time and the "fountain hook" trick does seem hard to pull off so kudos for it. i really dunno why a lot of ppl hate on the strat....you can see it coming, you can ban for it.
orly?
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
August 10 2013 02:32 GMT
#5562
On August 10 2013 11:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 11:27 qoiN wrote:
1 hook, main carry + aegis gone immediately. No way to fight back. ya, that's not unfair right? It's bullshit no matter how you see it.


This

what? lol
pudge hook is a skillshot. they knew that threat was there
they decided to take the risk, and it didnt work out for them

it was a high risk high reward play for both teams
if pudge missed hook, then TF would have killed a couple heroes, raxed probably, and won game from there maybe

if pudge landed hook, then they nullify the presence of aegis

what is so hard to understand??
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
BongChambers
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada591 Posts
August 10 2013 02:32 GMT
#5563
On August 10 2013 11:28 KillForFood wrote:
For fucks sake, ban chen against navi, hello...


I'm surprised people haven't done this yet, its like Admiral Bulldog's Lone Druid.. you just don't let them play it
420
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 10 2013 02:32 GMT
#5564
On August 10 2013 11:29 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 11:27 Canucklehead wrote:
As a new dota watcher, those pudge/chen hooks combo were disgusting to watch. Valve should looking into patching that. Just doesn't make sense to me as a new watcher.

to be honest that was reaally hard to pull of since you have to time the hook with the chen tp ...

Not only is it hard to pull off, it is incredibly risky, if you try that hook tp combo and miss, you are leaving your team to fight 5v4, as well as losing chen's sendback which may have helped you not lose the game out of the lopsided teamfight.

It is extremely risky and should only be attempted if you are far behind + Show Spoiler +
Or far enough ahead you can just mess around
and Navi took a huge risk and it succeded

In the end, 2.8 million is at stake, this isn't just a pub match everyone have fun.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
August 10 2013 02:32 GMT
#5565
After watching that. Yea, fountain-hooking should probably be fixed.

That said: its allowed, its a crowd pleaser, it looks really cool. WP Navi.

I can guarantee though that if this becomes a common strategy theres gonna be lots of calls for fixing it. This is the typical kind of strategy that is fun the first and second time, not the 50th (SC2 achon toilets says hello. That was also awesome first few times).
OfficeBrahzz
Profile Joined May 2013
121 Posts
August 10 2013 02:32 GMT
#5566
On August 10 2013 11:28 OfficeBrahzz wrote:
as far as im concerned. this is another reason why chen should just be banned every game

or pudge too if you dont ban chen.

without the abuse of blatantly overpowered fountain hooks, chen is the bigger threat and the better thing to ban.





















as far as im concerned. this is another reason why chen should just be banned every game

or pudge too if you dont ban chen.

without the abuse of blatantly overpowered fountain hooks, chen is the bigger threat and the better thing to ban.












dont ban either hero you get what you deserve




until this crap is nerfed. this is the new DOTA meta

seriously, every pro player in the international can hit those fountain hooks they take SKILL to land but every team has that skill i believe.. i garuntee fountain hooks will be ALOT more common, until pro players catch on and ban chen every game. however likely this may happen very quickly because i garuntee tongfu will be banning one of those heroes every game from now on
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 10 2013 02:32 GMT
#5567
On August 10 2013 11:30 misirlou wrote:
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On August 10 2013 11:27 oxxo wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:25 hefty wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:20 Cubu wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:19 anonymitylol wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:19 Cubu wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:18 blobrus wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:16 xyzz wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:15 trinxified wrote:
Why are people complaining about the hooks?

Because the idiot has killed 6 guys with this abusive one shot bulls**t?

He's mad.

his right. This is a competitive game. This type of bullshit shouldnt be allowed, especially for a competitive game like Dota 2


hey guys let's ban out all unconventional hero combos because a few crybabies on TL don't like it!

the hook and chen skill for 1 kill, dont you think that is abit unfair?

No, it isn't really that good. It also takes the pudge out of the fight (remember towers are down later in game) and he is a mid hero. So you better trade for a carry.


It's relatively low risk for extremely high reward. Pudge has no risk to die, and once towers are down later in the game any fountain hook attempts on Navis side had very very low risk since he doesn't have to go far or TP. On the other hand once it hits late game once you hit a hook you basically win. Can't fault them for using it but it's pretty broken (though admittedly hard to pull off).


Low risk? If they miss they have to 4v5 till pudge comes back, TF was running instead of actually pushing the engage

Na'vi was doing it because they couldn't 5v5...or even win a fight off of a good Hook initiation.

Frankly, if you're far behind and you have a Pudge and Chen, you would be stupid not to repeatedly try fountainhooking. If you're not going to fight the enemy team regardless, then keep trying for a OHKO with no risk to Pudge or Chen.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 10 2013 02:32 GMT
#5568
Why does it matter if it's hard... it's very low risk, you just send your pudge back home and try again. They literally tried it 30 times, has nothing to do with skill just luck.
Neosteel Enthusiast
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
August 10 2013 02:32 GMT
#5569
On August 10 2013 11:31 WindWolf wrote:
Even FGC-persons is impressed by this!

Plenty of salt over that last game hue.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
August 10 2013 02:32 GMT
#5570
What a turn around ...
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
August 10 2013 02:32 GMT
#5571
On August 10 2013 11:32 TubbyIsAwesome wrote:
You're tears are delicious, keep them coming. This has been in the game forever, but I think that Icefrog will think if he still wants to keep it in the game.

He said he doesn't want to remove it. He may reconsider after today's game though.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
August 10 2013 02:32 GMT
#5572
On August 10 2013 11:27 Canucklehead wrote:
As a new dota watcher, those pudge/chen hooks combo were disgusting to watch. Valve should looking into patching that. Just doesn't make sense to me as a new watcher.

It's only NaVi, because of Dendi. You won't see this from any other team.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
August 10 2013 02:32 GMT
#5573
if you guys think this is so easy to pull off go watch the joke off a game where EG tried to do it
its the saddest shit ever

again,that aegis gyro hook was such a clutch play that it blows my brain how people cant just stand in awe and appreciate for what it is.
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 10 2013 02:32 GMT
#5574
I'm pretty much just grumpy because i can't believe ThrowFu failed to deal with that.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
anonymitylol
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada4477 Posts
August 10 2013 02:32 GMT
#5575
On August 10 2013 11:31 Tomca wrote:
I really don't get ppl complaining about fountain hooks. It's a cool feature in game and also very double edged sword. Sending pudge home can cost you teamfights so easily. Sadly, TongFu didn't capitalise on failed hooks.

Very well deserved win, suck it haters


they're the same people who complain about cheese in BW/SC2, basically people who have never actually played a video game in their life and live to complain about how others player games
gold on my wrist phone in my pocket
big_shark
Profile Joined February 2010
United States172 Posts
August 10 2013 02:32 GMT
#5576
On August 10 2013 11:31 Pseudoku wrote:
Not entertaining when they can try every 24 seconds.


Yes lets cheer for DK farming ancients for 2 hours. Makes me hard
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
August 10 2013 02:33 GMT
#5577
I bet anyone here who would be in Navi's shoes would use that technique to have a shot to win 1.4 million dollars.

Anyone disagree?
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
August 10 2013 02:33 GMT
#5578
yey vulva!
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TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1403 Posts
August 10 2013 02:33 GMT
#5579
On August 10 2013 11:31 publicenemies wrote:
People who are complaining about hook/teleport have obviously never attempted to try it themselves and can't see how fucking hard it actually is.


The issue is that once you have the timing down (and don;t fool yourself they will practice it now that they've seen it works) and suddenly it's going force pudge permabans because it oneshots any hero and goes through shit like aegies and BKB.
xyzz
Profile Joined January 2012
567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 02:33:56
August 10 2013 02:33 GMT
#5580
I tend to be towards the bottom, you play to win, I mean how many cheese outs have we seen in major SC2 games? Tons

I have yet to see any 'creative special strategies' in SC2 where if you can time 2 abilities well you one shot the enemy army.

Every argument that 'this is hard' are ridiculous. It's not hard for the best players in the world since they do this every day all the time.
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