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On August 10 2013 11:28 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:27 LeCruci wrote:On August 10 2013 11:26 Shaella wrote: what a fucking stupid game you must have loved the dk vs ig yesterday if this isn't entertainment what is? There is a big difference between hating anything that isn't a 90 min farm off and disliking a team winning solely off of the randomness of fountain hooks.
yes, pulling off hooks on the right heroes in the right moment is definitely random. a monkey could hit exactly the right enemy
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Not entertaining when they can try every 24 seconds.
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Regardless of whines about the OP-ness of the fountain hook, bear in mind that because Dendi didn't have his Force Staff, it required 3 people to coordinate and time it. Not particularly an easy feat.
I'm wondering if things might have been different if TongFu attacked when they saw a failed fountain hook. 5v4 is pretty good odds no, with no risk any further fountain hooks for the next minute or so.
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On August 10 2013 11:27 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:27 goody153 wrote:On August 10 2013 11:25 Latham wrote: NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVINAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NAVI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI NA'VI Why are you doing this, guys?) Everybody gets the point, no need to spam.
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Its one of those things that's extremely hard to do but props for them actually getting the right people.
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4:31 am, I'm off to sleep, damn what a stupid game, but as a Na'Vi fan I'm secretly a little happy
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Even FGC-persons is impressed by this!
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On August 10 2013 11:28 JerKy wrote: dohohoho the amount of salt right now is so much more than the PL Alliance game yesterday that might be because PL is just one hero among many (and not even that good one) whereas this fountain hook abuse was incredibly cheap
also i don't see how anyone can argue the fountain hook is a high risk high reward play, dendi only landed like 1 out of 5 of their fountain hook attempts and the failed attemps didn't really hurt them at all, he just kept fishing until he hit one and then it was guaranteed kill
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This thread is basically
Tongfu fans - killing ESPORTS!
Navi fans - COMPLETELY LEGIT, YOU PLAY TO WIN
I tend to be towards the bottom, you play to win, I mean how many cheese outs have we seen in major SC2 games? Tons
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On August 10 2013 11:30 Shadowpostin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On August 10 2013 11:27 qoiN wrote: 1 hook, main carry + aegis gone immediately. No way to fight back. ya, that's not unfair right? It's bullshit no matter how you see it. This you guys have no fucking idea how clutch that play was and its quite sad tbh
NOOOOO PEOPLE AREN'T ALLOWED TO USE COMPLETELY INTENDED INGAME MECHANICS IN CREATIVE FASHIONS TO COME FROM BEHIND WITH A WORSE LINEUP.
THEY'RE RUINING ESPORTS D;
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On August 10 2013 11:30 Cubu wrote: the hook teleport combo is just toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo gimicky. It's a low risk high reward strat. Yeah sure it takes ALOT OF SKILL but what can the enemy do when the pudge can do it well? So being 4o5 in the ennemy jungle is low risk...
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On August 10 2013 11:30 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:28 anonymitylol wrote:On August 10 2013 11:27 Fruscainte wrote:On August 10 2013 11:26 lolfail9001 wrote: So... they used the Pudge hook circus to allow XBOCT to farm without a big problems after that some clutch teamfights and gg
Precisely. And people are saying Na'Vi are killing and disrespecting esports apparently because of this. This is fucking entertainment Na'Vi are terrible people for using an intended in-game mechanic to win a game in a tournament where the 1st prize is 1.4 million dollars, they should be banned from all dota tournaments for life I don't think IceFrog or the developers thought anyone would actually have the execution to pull it off. However, it does feel 100% bullshit from a player's standpoint that you outplay the other team the entire time, have a timing push with an aegis, and then lose because you lose the aegis to a borderline abuse that you honestly cannot outplay apart from 'dodging.'
Kind of funny that Maelk echoed the thought.
On August 10 2013 11:31 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:30 Cubu wrote: the hook teleport combo is just toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo gimicky. It's a low risk high reward strat. Yeah sure it takes ALOT OF SKILL but what can the enemy do when the pudge can do it well? So being 4o5 in the ennemy jungle is low risk...
In a game like that yes. They lose 5v5 so being 4v5 is meaningless. If they get the hook though they shut down TF.
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On August 10 2013 11:30 Cubu wrote: the hook teleport combo is just toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo gimicky. It's a low risk high reward strat. Yeah sure it takes ALOT OF SKILL but what can the enemy do when the pudge can do it well?
How is it low risk when Pudge goes back to fountain leaving the rest of the team to fight 4v5? It's not Na'Vi's fault Tongfu refused to engage after a failed fountain hook.
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On August 10 2013 11:29 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:28 anonymitylol wrote:On August 10 2013 11:27 Fruscainte wrote:On August 10 2013 11:26 lolfail9001 wrote: So... they used the Pudge hook circus to allow XBOCT to farm without a big problems after that some clutch teamfights and gg
Precisely. And people are saying Na'Vi are killing and disrespecting esports apparently because of this. This is fucking entertainment Na'Vi are terrible people for using an intended in-game mechanic to win a game in a tournament where the 1st prize is 1.4 million dollars, they should be banned from all dota tournaments for life Creative play not allowed. Creative and entertaining play is ruining the game.
Confirmed by TL every game has to be one team drafting bad, giving the other a good comp and wining the game in 20 mins, cause splitpush, late games or gambles are not allowed. ICEFROG PLZ!
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I really don't get ppl complaining about fountain hooks. It's a cool feature in game and also very double edged sword. Sending pudge home can cost you teamfights so easily. Sadly, TongFu didn't capitalise on failed hooks.
Very well deserved win, suck it haters
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HATERS GONNA HATE
Sickest game of the tournament I've ever seen.
So much entertainment.
Haters calling this strategy "cheap", but there's only 1 team in the world that could pull it off.
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On August 10 2013 11:31 spacer wrote: 4:31 am, I'm off to sleep, damn what a stupid game, but as a Na'Vi fan I'm secretly a little happy
Night
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Your tears are delicious, keep them coming. This has been in the game forever, but I think that Icefrog will think if he still wants to keep it in the game.
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