EPT[TI3] Playoffs Day 4 - Page 312
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
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zachmok
Malaysia63 Posts
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On August 11 2013 16:01 zachmok wrote: Do Alliance get a one game advantage in the Finals like last year's TI? No. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
well, the answer is indeed no, but there also was no one game advantage for navi last year | ||
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
On August 11 2013 15:52 Kuroeeah wrote: B-God AM defeated Throwda Alchemist. After the defeat S4 acknowledged that Anti Mage is the best carry in the game on the right hands, he was forced to first banning AM. AM > ALL! That's when DK deny B-God a chance in the top 3 spot by doing the dumbest thing in the world...specter first pick -_-. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On August 11 2013 14:51 mutantmagnet wrote: Hmm I can't agree with that. Having a massive kill advantage early on means absolutely nothing if you accidentally sacrifice farming as a priority to get even more kills or push on towers within the first 10 minutes. Even when you clue into this fact the team that is at a disadvantage isn't losing. From my observation as long as the kill ratio is no more than 2 to 1 the team with the lower kill score has enough fighting power to turn things around by executing on a team fight better than their opponent. The game isn't usually determined by early kill results even though the results of some games can be attributed to these early game mistakes. I honestly don't see how this is potentially any more of a bigger problem than Starcraft or any strategy game but it's not as a big of determinant as you think it is. The game so far this year has been proven to usually be over once one team gains a 10k gold advantage. I remember when Lumi said over 90% of the games a team doesn't come back from a gold deficit that large. I don't keep track of stats so closely but it certainly has felt like in the small amount of games I watch that percentage is closer to 98% than 90%. The introduction of smokes has been a double edge sword. The idea was to promote more engagements and fights but when people are all off the map what does the other team do? Turtle inside the base or where it's safe. The biggest problem is the fact that the rich get richer. If you have a lead you have map control and you're in absolutely no rush to end the game because you can literally not fight them to get ahead. Now you can argue and say that the losing team should force a fight then but when you're down 10k gold chances are you're not going to win a fight outside your base. There's also the big issue with buybacks. It's incredibly difficult to push into a base with 5 buyback ready heroes. I also find the dire side advantage of roshan to be ridiculous this tournament. | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On August 11 2013 16:04 Kuroeeah wrote: so..who thinks orange has what it takes? Me Can't really ask for more than what they've done already, but I'd certainly like them to :D | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On August 11 2013 16:05 Itsmedudeman wrote: The introduction of smokes has been a double edge sword. The idea was to promote more engagements and fights but when people are all off the map what does the other team do? Turtle inside the base or where it's safe. The biggest problem is the fact that the rich get richer. If you have a lead you have map control and you're in absolutely no rush to end the game because you can literally not fight them to get ahead. Now you can argue and say that the losing team should force a fight then but when you're down 10k gold chances are you're not going to win a fight outside your base. There's also the big issue with buybacks. It's incredibly difficult to push into a base with 5 buyback ready heroes. I also find the dire side advantage of roshan to be ridiculous this tournament. It's a fundamental problem with pretty much all DotA/AoS/MOBA w/e you wanna call it type games. Once the metagame has matured enough, eventually you always come back to a game centered around who has the most farm/resources on the map. You'll notice that if there's a massive meta shake up by IceFrog, games are much more wild, crazier kill fests, etc. Once people kinda get things down though, they play conservative because you can pretty much predict what works and what doesn't for the vast majority of the time. | ||
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Ultimo Hombre
Australia1436 Posts
On August 11 2013 16:06 Bibbit wrote: Me Can't really ask for more than what they've done already, but I'd certainly like them to :D ^ damn straight, they've definitely exceeded my expectations but hopefully they can go further. TI3 champs ez | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On August 11 2013 17:07 Ultimo Hombre wrote: ^ damn straight, they've definitely exceeded my expectations but hopefully they can go further. TI3 champs ez As long as Mushi doesn't tilt and his team plays up to par they have a very good chance of beating Navi and Alliance back to back. I think alot of people underrate how good Mushi really is. Mushi could probably outlane S4 on almost any hero, and that's saying alot considering S4 is one of the most dominating mid players in the game. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On August 11 2013 17:09 superstartran wrote: As long as Mushi doesn't tilt and his team plays up to par they have a very good chance of beating Navi and Alliance back to back. I think alot of people underrate how good Mushi really is. Mushi could probably outlane S4 on almost any hero, and that's saying alot considering S4 is one of the most dominating mid players in the game. i never underestimate him, i just don't know which mushi shows up. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On August 11 2013 17:11 Kuroeeah wrote: i never underestimate him, i just don't know which mushi shows up. Yeah its unreal how inconsistent he is. He's been amazing, just needs one more day of that :D | ||
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
On August 11 2013 16:04 Kuroeeah wrote: so..who thinks orange has what it takes? 4 rares will be placed on Orange. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13024 Posts
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Zinbiel
Sweden878 Posts
On August 11 2013 17:09 superstartran wrote: As long as Mushi doesn't tilt and his team plays up to par they have a very good chance of beating Navi and Alliance back to back. I think alot of people underrate how good Mushi really is. Mushi could probably outlane S4 on almost any hero, and that's saying alot considering S4 is one of the most dominating mid players in the game. To me S4's strength is not in his laning as much as the way he works as a playmaker for alliance as soon as the laning stage breaks down. Especially with blink dagger on heroes like puck and bat. It isn't a huge surprise to me that alliance's only loss this tournament was a game where he played DK (and xiao8 BM and burning AM played godlike dota ofc). Mushi is definitely one of the best players in the world when he is on his game though, capable of dictating the pace of the game as well or maybe even better than S4 is. | ||
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Tomca
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
Dendi on Skywrath/Tidehunter? Neither are the playmaking type heroes that Dendi shines with. Both are a waste of the middle lane. They get wisp in both games but don't really have any partners for him. We saw a relocate + epicenter in game 1 but it was poorly timed. Wisp brought gyro back to Roshan but that didn't end well. Radiant both games but didn't take advantage of the superior jungle. The Na'Vi supports were under-leveled and under-farmed in both games when they should have had the advantage. In game 2 they shut the druid down hard, took roshan, and then...nothing. They let alchemist and druid farm (druid farmed an entire radiance!). If they had been more aggressive I think they win the game right there. Despite my team losing, they were great games. Alliance played exceptionally well. The play from Akke and EGM was the deciding factor I think. S4 had very weak games and Bulldog only produced due to the cover of his supports. NaVi let alchemist free farm both games (which I think was actually a sound tactical decision if you successfully take a lane of rax before he finishes bkb - they didnt). The NaVi/Orange games tomorrow should be awesome (thought NaVi might be shaken from the loss). Grand final should be fun. | ||
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