[TI3] Playoffs Day 4 - Page 310

On August 11 2013 14:11 Solid`Blazed wrote:
orange finally got some recognition from the government...

On August 11 2013 14:24 RiZu wrote:

Mushi most hard-working guy <3.

On August 11 2013 14:28 Tetsudosupson wrote:


Most try hard player, just look at him at the all star match.

On August 11 2013 14:08 Kuroeeah wrote:

He's done so much to give players the tools to break passive play, the introduction to smoke ganking for one. I actually don't mind passive games, I don't mind four protect one and I can enjoy a farm-fest so I can't really put my finger on why I think these particular games are stale to me.

I don't know if i hate rat doto either, I had a tolerance for Fnatic when they were the ultimate rat doto and I didn't mind it when Broodmother dominated a lane to death either (before her spiderlings gave a billion gold). So, I don't know whats wrong but maybe it's my tastes.

On August 11 2013 13:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Lol dota on twitch has like less than 600 viewers now

On August 11 2013 14:08 r.Evo wrote:
In comparison for example iG was studied by everyone even before TI2 and they were still unbeatable.

On August 11 2013 14:36 renfree wrote:

Because stomps are plain boring. There is little to no intrigue when you know who's going to win from the 10 mins mark, no matter how hard casters try to make it a riddle. Before games were longer and more passive, but they were also less snowbally because of slower exp and gold gain. 1-2 lost teamfights in the early game didn't decide the outcome.

On August 11 2013 14:48 TheYango wrote:

I would argue that the West's study of IG was woefully inadequate, probably because they discounted DotA 1 games when in actuality most of what they brought to TI2 was being played in some capacity in ACE League and G-League prior to the event. The only real exception to this was Na'Vi who had clearly done their homework.

Morphling for example, should not have been a mystery to anyone.

On August 11 2013 14:36 renfree wrote:

Because stomps are plain boring. There is little to no intrigue when you know who's going to win from the 10 mins mark, no matter how hard casters try to make it a riddle. Before games were longer and more passive, but they were also less snowbally because of slower exp and gold gain. 1-2 lost teamfights in the early game didn't decide the outcome.

On August 11 2013 14:50 Kuroeeah wrote:

I dislike stomps but i think you might be right. I hate when you go into a match ten minutes in and you immediately know the outcome.

I hate it when you see as an observer when both teams are farming passively with 1 kill per 10 minutes, you see a mountain slope of a gold graph favor one side heavily. Ti2 had much more of a team fight flavor to it.

Remember that Orange vs Ehome game? Wisp + Tiny farming their asses off that game was EXCITING AS HELL to me where it had long moments of passivity, uncertainty and action. It was awesome!

Is the problem one sided games? The game with Orange and the Sven + Vacuum combo was the only game remotely fun for me today and that was pretty much a stomp but it was actually entertaining to all hell to me. I really can't put my finger on why something feels off about this meta.

On August 11 2013 14:55 teapoted wrote:
The problem with this meta is that there isn't much of a mid game. You have your laning phase, then everyone ganks for a bit, and then because of the snowbally nature of the current balance it forces the game into either just one team running the other one over or it becoming a very safe farming game until it reaches late-game where there's some tension again.

I don't really have a problem with most of the games though. I like some split-pushing, I like some tense late farm from behind games. It's been better in the past, and it's been much much worse in the past.

On August 11 2013 14:51 mutantmagnet wrote:


Hmm I can't agree with that. Having a massive kill advantage early on means absolutely nothing if you accidentally sacrifice farming as a priority to get even more kills or push on towers within the first 10 minutes.

Even when you clue into this fact the team that is at a disadvantage isn't losing. From my observation as long as the kill ratio is no more than 2 to 1 the team with the lower kill score has enough fighting power to turn things around by executing on a team fight better than their opponent.

The game isn't usually determined by early kill results even though the results of some games can be attributed to these early game mistakes. I honestly don't see how this is potentially any more of a bigger problem than Starcraft or any strategy game but it's not as a big of determinant as you think it is.

The game so far this year has been proven to usually be over once one team gains a 10k gold advantage. I remember when Lumi said over 90% of the games a team doesn't come back from a gold deficit that large. I don't keep track of stats so closely but it certainly has felt like in the small amount of games I watch that percentage is closer to 98% than 90%.