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If Orange keeps adapting the way they have they might not even have to ban Wisp against Navi. But then again Alliance might have scared Navi off Wisp forever after that 2-0
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On August 11 2013 13:59 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:55 teapoted wrote:
The amount of crybabies in this LR...
"I don't like this team because one of the players wears a hat"
"I don't like this team because one of the players is mean on twitter"
"I don't like this team because of one of the players girlfriend"
Boo fucking hoo. Get over it. Where's all the posts about not liking Na'Vi because Puppey is an asshole. Where's the people hating on Liquid because a video where Bulba acts like a little rage kid leaked out? Why not judge Dendi on his Dota 1 days, I mean if we're going to take twitter posts seriously why not cling on to shit said 3 years ago.
I've said it for 9 months. The TL community has a hard-on for hating on Loda, even though there are so many examples of worse offenders in the community. Pathetic. It'd be nice if people could just enjoy the games, I don't understand why this thread has a warning about caster bashing but player bashing is perfectly fine. I just don't like Loda. Period. I don't like -anything- about him Can I not just hate in peace!?
Just admit it, it's the hat.
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On August 11 2013 13:55 teapoted wrote:
The amount of crybabies in this LR...
"I don't like this team because one of the players wears a hat"
"I don't like this team because one of the players is mean on twitter"
"I don't like this team because of one of the players girlfriend"
Boo fucking hoo. Get over it. Where's all the posts about not liking Na'Vi because Puppey is an asshole. Where's the people hating on Liquid because a video where Bulba acts like a little rage kid leaked out? Why not judge Dendi on his Dota 1 days, I mean if we're going to take twitter posts seriously why not cling on to shit said 3 years ago.
I've said it for 9 months. The TL community has a hard-on for hating on Loda, even though there are so many examples of worse offenders in the community. Pathetic. It'd be nice if people could just enjoy the games, I don't understand why this thread has a warning about caster bashing but player bashing is perfectly fine.
God bless you sir, you are 100% correct.
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On August 11 2013 13:50 dartoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:48 Plansix wrote:On August 11 2013 13:46 bagels21 wrote:On August 11 2013 13:41 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 11 2013 13:41 Shaella wrote:On August 11 2013 13:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 11 2013 13:39 rabidch wrote:On August 11 2013 13:29 DucK- wrote:
It's strange how Alliance are so dominant, yet we all do not like them. It's not so much about supporting the underdogs. I think it got to do with Loda. I really dislike his smug face and I think he is too cocky. Too bad for S4 because as much as I really like his style of play, I can't support his team because of Loda.
Rooting for either Navi or Orange to win this. If Orange wins TI3, it will be a story of a team improving so much throughout the tournament (Mushi and kyxy have really stepped up alot). If Navi wins TI3, it will be about a class team performing in clutch moments. If Alliance wins TI3, it will be about a team that is the most prepared and a well deserved best team of the tournament.
All 3 teams are worthy of TI3 title I must say. I'm glad there's no Chinese teams around because honestly none of them have shown to deserve the title. May the best team win. I think all the underdogs of TI3 are really like-able, from NA DotA to Na`Vi to this run Orange is making, while Alliance is doing methodical domination of the entire scene that hasn't been seen since prime EHOME. I don't like Alliance but I don't hate Loda at all, the guy is a living DotA legend, I think he has a right to be cocky. Can't believe people still disrespect loda. There's probably not another player in ANY competitive game who's kept their performance up as long as he has. Imagine if Nada were still around winning tournaments. Loda is about as oldschool as you can get. i'd respect him a lot more if he didn't come off as a self important, self righteous jackass. what did he say to come across this way? is it his hat? His Twitter, his interviews, the general way in with the whole EE thing panned out. His foray between HON and Dota2. Loda's said and done a lot of "rude"/controversial stuff. Hell, he's going out with KellyMilkies...which gives people even more reason to dislike him. Thats just stupid. Kelly Milkies is fine, I have not seen anything that she had done that is worth the hate she gets. Well, I dont hate her, I dont have a reason to..but people often quote this as to why they hate her. + Show Spoiler +(goto 1:36)
Popcorn. that was juicy
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nothing wrong with disliking a player, but bashing a player is not cool.
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On August 11 2013 13:50 dartoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:48 Plansix wrote:On August 11 2013 13:46 bagels21 wrote:On August 11 2013 13:41 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 11 2013 13:41 Shaella wrote:On August 11 2013 13:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 11 2013 13:39 rabidch wrote:On August 11 2013 13:29 DucK- wrote:
It's strange how Alliance are so dominant, yet we all do not like them. It's not so much about supporting the underdogs. I think it got to do with Loda. I really dislike his smug face and I think he is too cocky. Too bad for S4 because as much as I really like his style of play, I can't support his team because of Loda.
Rooting for either Navi or Orange to win this. If Orange wins TI3, it will be a story of a team improving so much throughout the tournament (Mushi and kyxy have really stepped up alot). If Navi wins TI3, it will be about a class team performing in clutch moments. If Alliance wins TI3, it will be about a team that is the most prepared and a well deserved best team of the tournament.
All 3 teams are worthy of TI3 title I must say. I'm glad there's no Chinese teams around because honestly none of them have shown to deserve the title. May the best team win. I think all the underdogs of TI3 are really like-able, from NA DotA to Na`Vi to this run Orange is making, while Alliance is doing methodical domination of the entire scene that hasn't been seen since prime EHOME. I don't like Alliance but I don't hate Loda at all, the guy is a living DotA legend, I think he has a right to be cocky. Can't believe people still disrespect loda. There's probably not another player in ANY competitive game who's kept their performance up as long as he has. Imagine if Nada were still around winning tournaments. Loda is about as oldschool as you can get. i'd respect him a lot more if he didn't come off as a self important, self righteous jackass. what did he say to come across this way? is it his hat? His Twitter, his interviews, the general way in with the whole EE thing panned out. His foray between HON and Dota2. Loda's said and done a lot of "rude"/controversial stuff. Hell, he's going out with KellyMilkies...which gives people even more reason to dislike him. Thats just stupid. Kelly Milkies is fine, I have not seen anything that she had done that is worth the hate she gets. Well, I dont hate her, I dont have a reason to..but people often quote this as to why they hate her. + Show Spoiler +(goto 1:36)
Funny how must of her haters always quote this video as source of their hatred and not a single one of them are willing to listen to her side of the story, cause you know... "Tobi is my favourite caster and I won't let that harpy has her way"
And for those who hates her because of her casting during GSL... That's just so stupid that leaves me speechless...
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On August 11 2013 13:39 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:29 DucK- wrote:
It's strange how Alliance are so dominant, yet we all do not like them. It's not so much about supporting the underdogs. I think it got to do with Loda. I really dislike his smug face and I think he is too cocky. Too bad for S4 because as much as I really like his style of play, I can't support his team because of Loda.
Rooting for either Navi or Orange to win this. If Orange wins TI3, it will be a story of a team improving so much throughout the tournament (Mushi and kyxy have really stepped up alot). If Navi wins TI3, it will be about a class team performing in clutch moments. If Alliance wins TI3, it will be about a team that is the most prepared and a well deserved best team of the tournament.
All 3 teams are worthy of TI3 title I must say. I'm glad there's no Chinese teams around because honestly none of them have shown to deserve the title. May the best team win. I think all the underdogs of TI3 are really like-able, from NA DotA to Na`Vi to this run Orange is making, while Alliance is doing methodical domination of the entire scene that hasn't been seen since prime EHOME. I don't like Alliance but I don't hate Loda at all, the guy is a living DotA legend, I think he has a right to be cocky.
2011-2012 iG.
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On August 11 2013 14:00 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:59 Shaella wrote:On August 11 2013 13:55 teapoted wrote:
The amount of crybabies in this LR...
"I don't like this team because one of the players wears a hat"
"I don't like this team because one of the players is mean on twitter"
"I don't like this team because of one of the players girlfriend"
Boo fucking hoo. Get over it. Where's all the posts about not liking Na'Vi because Puppey is an asshole. Where's the people hating on Liquid because a video where Bulba acts like a little rage kid leaked out? Why not judge Dendi on his Dota 1 days, I mean if we're going to take twitter posts seriously why not cling on to shit said 3 years ago.
I've said it for 9 months. The TL community has a hard-on for hating on Loda, even though there are so many examples of worse offenders in the community. Pathetic. It'd be nice if people could just enjoy the games, I don't understand why this thread has a warning about caster bashing but player bashing is perfectly fine. I just don't like Loda. Period. I don't like -anything- about him Can I not just hate in peace!? Just admit it, it's the hat.
THE HAT ISN'T HELPING HIS CASE
But its merely one piece of the hate pie
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On August 11 2013 13:56 Kuroeeah wrote:
So the thing is I don't know if Alliance plays a boring DotA or that the meta is boring. Would Alliance's playstyle have worked if it were 6.73 or something? Is there something wrong with 6.78?
I mean Icefrog pushed and is trying to promote shorter, more aggressive games from the recent changes. The higher bounty/xp per kill encourages more aggression on kills and ganks right? So why do I feel these games are simply NOT as exciting to watch as it was before? I watched Wc3 DotA, I watched Chinese teams farm all day and maybe it's just the past maybe clouding my judgement but I don't remember it being as dull as the games i've been seeing across ti3.
There are going to be passive games, it happens. What Icefrog did was increase aggression in a lot of parts of the game, but you can still farm and play safe. There has to be safe ways to play for the game to work. It can't be all YOLO, blink ganks into massive dunks.
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On August 11 2013 14:02 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:39 rabidch wrote:On August 11 2013 13:29 DucK- wrote:
It's strange how Alliance are so dominant, yet we all do not like them. It's not so much about supporting the underdogs. I think it got to do with Loda. I really dislike his smug face and I think he is too cocky. Too bad for S4 because as much as I really like his style of play, I can't support his team because of Loda.
Rooting for either Navi or Orange to win this. If Orange wins TI3, it will be a story of a team improving so much throughout the tournament (Mushi and kyxy have really stepped up alot). If Navi wins TI3, it will be about a class team performing in clutch moments. If Alliance wins TI3, it will be about a team that is the most prepared and a well deserved best team of the tournament.
All 3 teams are worthy of TI3 title I must say. I'm glad there's no Chinese teams around because honestly none of them have shown to deserve the title. May the best team win. I think all the underdogs of TI3 are really like-able, from NA DotA to Na`Vi to this run Orange is making, while Alliance is doing methodical domination of the entire scene that hasn't been seen since prime EHOME. I don't like Alliance but I don't hate Loda at all, the guy is a living DotA legend, I think he has a right to be cocky. 2011-2012 iG.
I agree, iG has actually looked unstoppable until their fall at G-1 this year. They were the favorites to win everything, they almost did win everything during their peak. They not only looked dominant but they were dominant especially in their play and it's kind of shocking that people forgot this.
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On August 11 2013 13:53 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:45 Dankleteer wrote:
wait where are they releasing the documentary? they said they would do it tonight They should be, but it will not be streamed. Exclusively for the attendees.
Bummer. When do we get to feast our eyes on it?
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Alliance has that "cold" playstyle, that not many in western community does like. I guess thats why they got so many Chinese fans though. They play like Chinese at their prime with the addition of perfecting split-push, which was never a strong side of CN teams.
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On August 11 2013 14:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:56 Kuroeeah wrote:
So the thing is I don't know if Alliance plays a boring DotA or that the meta is boring. Would Alliance's playstyle have worked if it were 6.73 or something? Is there something wrong with 6.78?
I mean Icefrog pushed and is trying to promote shorter, more aggressive games from the recent changes. The higher bounty/xp per kill encourages more aggression on kills and ganks right? So why do I feel these games are simply NOT as exciting to watch as it was before? I watched Wc3 DotA, I watched Chinese teams farm all day and maybe it's just the past maybe clouding my judgement but I don't remember it being as dull as the games i've been seeing across ti3.
There are going to be passive games, it happens. What Icefrog did was increase aggression in a lot of parts of the game, but you can still farm and play safe. There has to be safe ways to play for the game to work. It can't be all YOLO, blink ganks into massive dunks. If you increase the value of aggression this also increases the value of safe play. Snowballing is much more common nowadays, and if a team doesn't snowball you end up with a very passive game. (a lot of the time)
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On August 11 2013 14:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:56 Kuroeeah wrote:
So the thing is I don't know if Alliance plays a boring DotA or that the meta is boring. Would Alliance's playstyle have worked if it were 6.73 or something? Is there something wrong with 6.78?
I mean Icefrog pushed and is trying to promote shorter, more aggressive games from the recent changes. The higher bounty/xp per kill encourages more aggression on kills and ganks right? So why do I feel these games are simply NOT as exciting to watch as it was before? I watched Wc3 DotA, I watched Chinese teams farm all day and maybe it's just the past maybe clouding my judgement but I don't remember it being as dull as the games i've been seeing across ti3.
There are going to be passive games, it happens. What Icefrog did was increase aggression in a lot of parts of the game, but you can still farm and play safe. There has to be safe ways to play for the game to work. It can't be all YOLO, blink ganks into massive dunks.
He's done so much to give players the tools to break passive play, the introduction to smoke ganking for one. I actually don't mind passive games, I don't mind four protect one and I can enjoy a farm-fest so I can't really put my finger on why I think these particular games are stale to me.
I don't know if i hate rat doto either, I had a tolerance for Fnatic when they were the ultimate rat doto and I didn't mind it when Broodmother dominated a lane to death either (before her spiderlings gave a billion gold). So, I don't know whats wrong but maybe it's my tastes.
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On August 11 2013 13:56 Kuroeeah wrote:
So the thing is I don't know if Alliance plays a boring DotA or that the meta is boring. Would Alliance's playstyle have worked if it were 6.73 or something? Is there something wrong with 6.78?
I mean Icefrog pushed and is trying to promote shorter, more aggressive games from the recent changes. The higher bounty/xp per kill encourages more aggression on kills and ganks right? So why do I feel these games are simply NOT as exciting to watch as it was before? I watched Wc3 DotA, I watched Chinese teams farm all day and maybe it's just the past maybe clouding my judgement but I don't remember it being as dull as the games i've been seeing across ti3.
Every version is about developing it's own playstyle. As it stands, Alliance figured out the (imo almost) perfect way to play this version and no other team adapted to it yet properly. Give it some time, sadly the next face-off against China will most likely to take too long but I don't expect any of the top teams to lose again.
Alliance will get studied from everyone and then time will tell if they can REALLY come back and take on everyone.
In comparison for example iG was studied by everyone even before TI2 and they were still unbeatable.
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On August 11 2013 14:08 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 14:04 Plansix wrote:On August 11 2013 13:56 Kuroeeah wrote:
So the thing is I don't know if Alliance plays a boring DotA or that the meta is boring. Would Alliance's playstyle have worked if it were 6.73 or something? Is there something wrong with 6.78?
I mean Icefrog pushed and is trying to promote shorter, more aggressive games from the recent changes. The higher bounty/xp per kill encourages more aggression on kills and ganks right? So why do I feel these games are simply NOT as exciting to watch as it was before? I watched Wc3 DotA, I watched Chinese teams farm all day and maybe it's just the past maybe clouding my judgement but I don't remember it being as dull as the games i've been seeing across ti3.
There are going to be passive games, it happens. What Icefrog did was increase aggression in a lot of parts of the game, but you can still farm and play safe. There has to be safe ways to play for the game to work. It can't be all YOLO, blink ganks into massive dunks. if you increase the value of aggression this also increases the value of safe play. Snowballing is much more common nowadays, and if a team doesn't snowball you end up with a very passive game. (a lot of the time)
Yeah it's crazy to see games end in 13 minutes, back then it was actually rare to see a 15k gold lead in 10 minutes.
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On August 11 2013 14:04 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 14:02 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On August 11 2013 13:39 rabidch wrote:On August 11 2013 13:29 DucK- wrote:
It's strange how Alliance are so dominant, yet we all do not like them. It's not so much about supporting the underdogs. I think it got to do with Loda. I really dislike his smug face and I think he is too cocky. Too bad for S4 because as much as I really like his style of play, I can't support his team because of Loda.
Rooting for either Navi or Orange to win this. If Orange wins TI3, it will be a story of a team improving so much throughout the tournament (Mushi and kyxy have really stepped up alot). If Navi wins TI3, it will be about a class team performing in clutch moments. If Alliance wins TI3, it will be about a team that is the most prepared and a well deserved best team of the tournament.
All 3 teams are worthy of TI3 title I must say. I'm glad there's no Chinese teams around because honestly none of them have shown to deserve the title. May the best team win. I think all the underdogs of TI3 are really like-able, from NA DotA to Na`Vi to this run Orange is making, while Alliance is doing methodical domination of the entire scene that hasn't been seen since prime EHOME. I don't like Alliance but I don't hate Loda at all, the guy is a living DotA legend, I think he has a right to be cocky. 2011-2012 iG. I agree, iG has actually looked unstoppable until their fall at G-1 this year. They were the favorites to win everything, they almost did win everything during their peak. They not only looked dominant but they were dominant especially in their play and it's kind of shocking that people forgot this.
People who seem to have forgotten that can probably be assumed to be rather new to the scene without caring about even the most recent history. Which already says a lot.
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On August 11 2013 14:00 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 13:59 Shaella wrote:On August 11 2013 13:55 teapoted wrote:
The amount of crybabies in this LR...
"I don't like this team because one of the players wears a hat"
"I don't like this team because one of the players is mean on twitter"
"I don't like this team because of one of the players girlfriend"
Boo fucking hoo. Get over it. Where's all the posts about not liking Na'Vi because Puppey is an asshole. Where's the people hating on Liquid because a video where Bulba acts like a little rage kid leaked out? Why not judge Dendi on his Dota 1 days, I mean if we're going to take twitter posts seriously why not cling on to shit said 3 years ago.
I've said it for 9 months. The TL community has a hard-on for hating on Loda, even though there are so many examples of worse offenders in the community. Pathetic. It'd be nice if people could just enjoy the games, I don't understand why this thread has a warning about caster bashing but player bashing is perfectly fine. I just don't like Loda. Period. I don't like -anything- about him Can I not just hate in peace!? Just admit it, it's the hat.
the hat topped it all off. 
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orange finally got some recognition from the government...
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Holy....crap! wow that's so cool!
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