We just saw DK holding highground against a 20k+ gold advantage against probably the most aggressive team left in the tournament besides Na'Vi.

It's just easy to forget.

To be fair though, that was mostly Orange throwing.

Mataza

Germany5364 Posts

August 10 2013 22:40 GMT

#2509

On August 11 2013 07:39 SilverStar wrote:
I don't feel the chemistry of iG. They all seem so unhappy.

Rumors say they all hate each other or something.

Intact

Sweden634 Posts

August 10 2013 22:40 GMT

#2510

On August 11 2013 07:37 4mgg wrote:

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Entire Dota world? SEA scene is nothing? And Orange isn't chinese. All this ignorance..

Just saying, showing these matches before Alliance and Na'vi is retarded by Valve, it getting way to late for most of Europe to watch their favorite teams.

wurm

Philippines2296 Posts

August 10 2013 22:40 GMT

#2511

Post TI3 Chinese shuffle will be really interesting. iG have been on the rocks ever since their TI2 win. LGD had an early exit and a lot of DK players may be retiring.

dmnum

Brazil6910 Posts

August 10 2013 22:40 GMT

#2512

Man I fell asleep and just woke up.
I guess tongfu won because we have a third game.

r.Evo

Germany14081 Posts

August 10 2013 22:40 GMT

#2513

On August 11 2013 07:39 teapoted wrote:

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It's easy to forget when you have a bunch of preconceived notions.

WE SHALL PERSEVERE THROUGH THE ARMIES OF UNEDUCATED DOTA

GO TONGFU, IG IS TILTING, FINISH THEM OFF AND STOP BEING PUSSIES

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

August 10 2013 22:40 GMT

#2514

On August 11 2013 07:39 teapoted wrote:

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It's easy to forget when you have a bunch of preconceived notions.

That was also some of the most beautiful base defence seen in awhile. I guess all these people don't fear the Chinese great wall anymore. Pretty sad days.

dtz

5834 Posts

August 10 2013 22:40 GMT

#2515

On August 11 2013 07:36 TheYango wrote:
The thing that people are not respecting is how much having double/triple buybacks on your position 1-3 heroes actually allows you to fight ridiculous high ground defense fights. If they splitpush a big creep wave into your tier 3, and then give up 3+ buybacks to hold their lane while you lose yours, that's actually a net gain for a split-push based team.

Even with an Alch double your net worth, you still don't win 5v7/5v8 fights on enemy high ground. Chinese teams are deathly aware of this because pushing high ground in 2009/2010 was a nightmare when there was no buyback CD and buybacks were cheaper, so even with 1 core, you'd still be trying to push through double/triple buybacks from the same hero.

People who have been watching the game that long should remember a certain LGD vs. EHOME game where LGD played a 5 intel hero comp against a Sniper + Shadowfiend dual core--the game was long over for them after Sniper and Shadowfiend got their items up, but they defended and Aegis+Cheese push with Storm's triple buyback.

Yeah actually i have thought that maybe it should be possible to buyback in the spot where you die because currently buyback is too big of a defender's advantage.

Maybe if you buyback within 10 second then you can revive in the spot where you die or something.

Will favor teams ending the games early and hitting a timing when they got a good advantage. Also promotes aggressive play in general. We might see 10v10 fights from early game.

Haven't really thought about repercussions though so this might be a dumb idea.

Kuzmorgo

Hungary1058 Posts

August 10 2013 22:41 GMT

#2516

I would just like to understand why people think a 5 kill game means the teams were much more skilled than in a 50 kill game. It doesn't. It means they were scared. IG picked storm prophet and morph, with a chen global heal backing them up. And they had 6 kills 40 minutes into the game. They picked something aggressive, and they played it scared, and they got punished. Fortunately tongfu forgot to put farm on weaver which gave them a chance. So yea, both teams made strategic errors because of fear of the high stakes.

And it was boring too....

739

Bearded Elder29905 Posts

August 10 2013 22:41 GMT

#2517

lol iG so pissed

Scio

Germany522 Posts

August 10 2013 22:41 GMT

#2518

On August 11 2013 07:39 Mataza wrote:

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We should make a note here: huge success.

Stop teasing

I will be so sad if they still dont have it in the making

Fusilero

United Kingdom50293 Posts

August 10 2013 22:41 GMT

#2519

On August 11 2013 07:40 wurm wrote:
Post TI3 Chinese shuffle will be really interesting. iG have been on the rocks ever since their TI2 win. LGD had an early exit and a lot of DK players may be retiring.

I really don't think chaun will get out of TI3 on iG. If DK goes through with the retirements then it's gonna get interesting (I get an awful feeling VG may end up being plundered)