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On November 25 2013 10:38 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 10:36 IshinShishi wrote:On November 25 2013 10:30 Targe wrote:On November 25 2013 10:29 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On November 25 2013 10:28 Targe wrote:On November 25 2013 10:26 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On November 25 2013 10:24 Targe wrote:On November 25 2013 10:23 zezamer wrote:On November 25 2013 10:09 zezamer wrote:
I have feeling that DK's gonna take this eventually despite casters saying they're in horrible position TOLD YA im listening to chinese stream because LD always talks shit when it comes to the position teams are in I seriously don't get how he acts like a 12 slotted bear wouldn't do much more... even just with these items the hero is already so, so much better. I mean almost perma stunning Outworld probably won them the important fight. that and lanm, i really think LD is the worst caster on BTS just for that reason though He's actually my favorite caster, hope I don't start disliking him now :D ive been noticing it quite a bit over the last month and it's started to get to me, its all personal preference though, i like tobi for instance and dont mind ayesee too much LD is waaaaaaaaay more accurate than tobi, tobi is almost clueless after years of dota. it's not about accuracy there, i know tobi knows just as much as i do and is just as bad but i can listen to him cast cause he isnt always criticising one team and saying how they're in such a bad position
I like Tobi because he doesn't focus on the negatives, even if that is a consequence of what I think is ADHD. He's normally... optimistic, from what I've seen. Though I don't dislike any casters.
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On November 25 2013 10:40 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 10:37 IndyO wrote:
Wow fuck that went long.... Super intense at the end but it did really drag on. Should have gotten Sing the rapier before they were trapped in there base. Or tried to contest Roshan. I guess a million what if's in a match like that. I think in a way Icefrog has increased the Dire advantage for Rosh by making it random spawn. Previously, you knew the exact timing of Rosh spawn and you could organize a defense around it. But with the new changes Its much more easier for dire to keep popping in and out to scout it and then kill it as soon as it spawns. I think the 5 roshes made the biggest difference this game for DK.
dont the dire v radiant wins actually reflect this at mlg?
i wonder what difference it'd make if roshan was random respawn but it was announced when he'd spawn maybe 10 - 30 seconds before he does to both teams
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On November 25 2013 10:38 ShiroKaisen wrote:
You've gotta wonder what the fuck would've happened if RTZ hadn't been caught out that one time.
Or if Burning didn't bash 100k times that fight bot near dire/sing got a single good crit off that same fight.
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On November 25 2013 10:40 IshinShishi wrote:
arteezy played really well and then started falling off and so did pieliedie, couple that with terrible dooms and crazy 3-4 man echoes and you get this particular result, lots of things had to work in harmony for DK to get this one.
The doom targets are decided by the team, and not by Envy himself. Do you really think that Speed just let envy doom whatever target he wanted?
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I guess DK thinks "4 Midases took too long, we need more" next game
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On November 25 2013 10:39 Gallimatias wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 10:36 Gentso wrote:
Ok guys I really like DK but they're style this tournament is REALLY annoying for me to watch. Agreed, pushing strats are lame. I hope they show in game 2 that they are confident enough to face Speed in a straight late game battle.
It's not even about pushing strats, it's that fucking mentality of ultra safe play and fighting for fucking nanometers of space instead of going for a full yard.
It's enraging to watch. Was the same during TI3.
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heh, i think speed would have won if he completed a rapier instead of a second daedalus
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On November 25 2013 10:41 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 10:39 teapoted wrote:On November 25 2013 10:37 TheYango wrote:On November 25 2013 10:36 werynais wrote:
Well that was something, Speed should have just finished the game 30 minutes ago ...serious fuck up You cannot high ground haphazardly vs. Earthshaker. He is one of the most powerful heroes in the game for fighting a defensive fight in your base. If anything, LanM showed that this game. No, but they multiple times got refresher echo'ed on 3 heroes. The first time they weren't even in DK's base. Obviously amazing play from lanm, but like any great RP, great Ravage, great Echo Slam. 50% of the work is done by your opponents. when those heroes have blink though it takes a couple seconds of mis micro in the timsepan of like 50 minutes to get caught out It really isn't as difficult as you make it sound. Teams learned to play against Ravage, teams learned to play against RP. Speed did not respect ES as much as they would have respected a Magnus to not get caught out.
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On November 25 2013 10:40 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 10:39 Gallimatias wrote:On November 25 2013 10:36 Gentso wrote:
Ok guys I really like DK but they're style this tournament is REALLY annoying for me to watch. Agreed, pushing strats are lame. I hope they show in game 2 that they are confident enough to face Speed in a straight late game battle. Cmon.....play to win
Well, everyone is entitled to find a specific or even multiple teams boring. I just have one ex[A]mple, tho.
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On November 25 2013 10:41 Unattended Cake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 10:38 Targe wrote:On November 25 2013 10:36 IshinShishi wrote:On November 25 2013 10:30 Targe wrote:On November 25 2013 10:29 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On November 25 2013 10:28 Targe wrote:On November 25 2013 10:26 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On November 25 2013 10:24 Targe wrote:On November 25 2013 10:23 zezamer wrote:On November 25 2013 10:09 zezamer wrote:
I have feeling that DK's gonna take this eventually despite casters saying they're in horrible position TOLD YA im listening to chinese stream because LD always talks shit when it comes to the position teams are in I seriously don't get how he acts like a 12 slotted bear wouldn't do much more... even just with these items the hero is already so, so much better. I mean almost perma stunning Outworld probably won them the important fight. that and lanm, i really think LD is the worst caster on BTS just for that reason though He's actually my favorite caster, hope I don't start disliking him now :D ive been noticing it quite a bit over the last month and it's started to get to me, its all personal preference though, i like tobi for instance and dont mind ayesee too much LD is waaaaaaaaay more accurate than tobi, tobi is almost clueless after years of dota. it's not about accuracy there, i know tobi knows just as much as i do and is just as bad but i can listen to him cast cause he isnt always criticising one team and saying how they're in such a bad position I like Tobi because he doesn't focus on the negatives, even if that is a consequence of what I think is ADHD. He's normally... optimistic, from what I've seen. Though I don't dislike any casters.
it doesn't look like adhd, it seems to be a persona akin to how day9 behaves
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On November 25 2013 10:42 Latham wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 10:39 Gallimatias wrote:On November 25 2013 10:36 Gentso wrote:
Ok guys I really like DK but they're style this tournament is REALLY annoying for me to watch. Agreed, pushing strats are lame. I hope they show in game 2 that they are confident enough to face Speed in a straight late game battle. It's not even about pushing strats, it's that fucking mentality of ultra safe play and fighting for fucking nanometers of space instead of going for a full yard. It's enraging to watch. Was the same during TI3.
Again....play to win
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On November 25 2013 10:39 Gallimatias wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 10:36 Gentso wrote:
Ok guys I really like DK but they're style this tournament is REALLY annoying for me to watch. Agreed, pushing strats are lame. I hope they show in game 2 that they are confident enough to face Speed in a straight late game battle.
So you hope Speed Gaming picks a draft that isn't up to par with whatever DK drafts in the late game? Isn't that what it all comes down to?
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On November 25 2013 10:40 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 10:37 IndyO wrote:
Wow fuck that went long.... Super intense at the end but it did really drag on. Should have gotten Sing the rapier before they were trapped in there base. Or tried to contest Roshan. I guess a million what if's in a match like that. I think in a way Icefrog has increased the Dire advantage for Rosh by making it random spawn. Previously, you knew the exact timing of Rosh spawn and you could organize a defense around it. But with the new changes Its much more easier for dire to keep popping in and out to scout it and then kill it as soon as it spawns. I think the 5 roshes made the biggest difference this game for DK.
Add a second rosh spot near radiant secret shop, now rosh spawns randomly between those 2.
More seriously I had the exact same thought during the game.
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On November 25 2013 10:42 Kuroeeah wrote:
heh, i think speed would have won if he completed a rapier instead of a second daedalus
Sing bought the second daedalus wayyyy before dk got mega creeps. No point in buying a rapier anytime beforehand.
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Nice try Icefrog, but you can't stop DK/Burning from delivering 90 minute games.
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On November 25 2013 10:39 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 10:37 TheYango wrote:On November 25 2013 10:36 werynais wrote:
Well that was something, Speed should have just finished the game 30 minutes ago ...serious fuck up You cannot high ground haphazardly vs. Earthshaker. He is one of the most powerful heroes in the game for fighting a defensive fight in your base. If anything, LanM showed that this game. No, but they multiple times got refresher echo'ed on 3 heroes. The first time they weren't even in DK's base. Obviously amazing play from lanm, but like any great RP, great Ravage, great Echo Slam. 50% of the work is done by your opponents.
While it does rely on your opponents stacking up, it is just the way the game the game works. You cant have 4-5 people coordinating to stay apart all the time. And it was LanMs job to stay calm and patient and wait for the opponents to stack up, which is what made his earthshaker so damn awesome
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On November 25 2013 10:42 Kuroeeah wrote:
heh, i think speed would have won if he completed a rapier instead of a second daedalus
Sing had a rapier with his second daedelus. He lost it in the final moments
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On November 25 2013 10:42 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 10:40 IshinShishi wrote:
arteezy played really well and then started falling off and so did pieliedie, couple that with terrible dooms and crazy 3-4 man echoes and you get this particular result, lots of things had to work in harmony for DK to get this one. The doom targets are decided by the team, and not by Envy himself. Do you really think that Speed just let envy doom whatever target he wanted?
I never said that though, didn't put the blame on Envy or anyone else for this particular matter.
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On November 25 2013 10:41 Hagen0 wrote:
Icefrog's attempt to lower game time is failing spectacularly so far.
Is it? I mean, apart from the last game.
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Sing @Sing2X 2m
SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT 2 RAPIERS @NaViXBOCT
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