EPTOn August 29 2016 07:06 trinxified wrote:
isn't this hero better in mid?
atrophy aura will win you lane easily
isn't this hero better in mid?
atrophy aura will win you lane easily
Yeah, then what?
[Hero] Underlord - Page 3
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Skank
United States329 Posts
Yeah, then what? | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
let's say you bait in the offlane with stick charges or smething, you start up your ulti on a wave pushing in past your pursuers as your teammates are tping in. now you're tped in behind them and the hunters become hunted. | ||
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Valukk
United States19 Posts
On August 25 2016 15:11 fourthirds wrote: Yeah this hero is ridiculous. Lots of fun to play as a tanky offlaner/fighter. I played him tonight with WD as a duo off and the kill potential was just gross. Same game we had a riki - rifting riki makes lifestealer bombs look like a gentle caress. It's also nice to have a new hero that doesn't require a PhD in dota to play well. Oracle, wyvern, arc warden are all a lot harder to use effectively. This guy you just have to exist and throw your skills that are the opposite of skill shots. The ult is icing on the cake. 4-4-1 definitely seems like the build. I like aura at 1 to make it easy to trade hits and get CS - you're at 85 damage and the enemy is at 50 after the first wave. I seriously consider not even bothering with Firestorm until everything else is maxed out because the damage it does at level 4 is too little for the investment; I'd rather put it in Pit and stats. | ||
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Skank
United States329 Posts
On August 30 2016 00:48 Valukk wrote: I seriously consider not even bothering with Firestorm until everything else is maxed out because the damage it does at level 4 is too little for the investment; I'd rather put it in Pit and stats. Is 420 +24% max health not a whole lot of dmg? Even if only half the waves hit a hero, it still does a lot of damage. And hitting half the waves is not hard. | ||
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Valukk
United States19 Posts
On August 30 2016 00:56 Skank wrote: Is 420 +24% max health not a whole lot of dmg? Even if only half the waves hit a hero, it still does a lot of damage. And hitting half the waves is not hard. I've only found it useful for pulling creeps to the jungle, and its very unlikely you'll get an enemy hero to stand in that Firestorm for the entire duration. | ||
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Valukk
United States19 Posts
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fourthirds
Canada132 Posts
Your standard 2 sec stun from an ally plus 1 sec pit @ level 7 means the enemy will eat ~3 waves and 5 sec of burn. That's 300-500 damage depending on their max HP. You're definitely not solo killing anyone as UL but that's not really the point. Also firestorm is kinda good on rosh. Each full duration does about 11% of his hp after his magic reduction. | ||
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Archeon
3265 Posts
But yeah, not out of this world by any means. The main question is what you actually do with stats instead. | ||
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Valukk
United States19 Posts
On August 30 2016 03:51 fourthirds wrote: You can get half the firestorm damage alone just by casting it just in front of the enemy and dropping pit to follow up. If you're thinking about skipping firestorm for aura/pit then you might as well just pick support sven. I can vaguely see the appeal of maxing pit over firestorm but I definitely wouldn't take aura+pit+stats before maxing firestorm. Your standard 2 sec stun from an ally plus 1 sec pit @ level 7 means the enemy will eat ~3 waves and 5 sec of burn. That's 300-500 damage depending on their max HP. You're definitely not solo killing anyone as UL but that's not really the point. Also firestorm is kinda good on rosh. Each full duration does about 11% of his hp after his magic reduction. I wish my teams were coordinated enough to chain stun so I could actually get off that nuke. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
Few top players I've seen were building Veil on him(Fear and forgot the second, I think it was W33ha) and with Veil and Firestorm he can really deal a lot of magic damage. Not picking Firestorm on him for me is like not picking Breath of Fire for Dragon Knight, yes you will have a ton of regen and longer stun, but you just slow yourself a lot when it comes to farming. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
The ult is the X factor, but it seems like no one except pro teams or very (very) high level pubs will be able to use it to its potential. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
He definitely doesn't scale as a damage source, but that's not everything. He just needs damage-dealing cores behind him. | ||
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Skank
United States329 Posts
On August 31 2016 13:19 Belisarius wrote: He packs a lot of hate for BKBs since both the aura and his root are piercing. I don't think his lategame is that bad. He definitely doesn't scale as a damage source, but that's not everything. He just needs damage-dealing cores behind him. With the exception of slark, he's really good against slippery carries who like to extend the game, like AM, LS, Jugg, and Weaver. He also is exceptional at shutting down illusion heros like TB. That's his strength imo: he slays rats and commands the tempo of the game. He's god awful against cores like Slardar, DP, PA, Ember, Storm, and Timber that run at you with no abandon. Against some teams you're just food after the laning stage because your ability to dictate movement around the map has been overruled, and you're now just a fat creep who can wave clear. | ||
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fourthirds
Canada132 Posts
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
This hero is annoying in lane and trades well so he kind of demands the supports stick in lane. Let's you get away with greedy mids | ||
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Dankleteer
United States1430 Posts
I had a couple of questions about playing the hero after looking over some stats on DotaBuff: 1. Guardian greaves are the #1 item on this hero, with a considerable winrate. Should I go this item first? I've found that when I go straight for greaves, the expensive recipe buildup leaves me weak in the crucial 15 minute stage of the game, when a full pipe or crimson would have me much tankier and helping the team. Should I get mek, then save the greaves for later in the game? 2. How to make better use of my ult? I often forget it's there, and usually don't level it until 11. My most common use for it is we've just won a fight, taken a tower, and everyone gets a free ride back to fountain. I feel like I can make more proactive use of the skill, any suggestions? 3. I notice that while Underlord has a top winrate in the lower brackets, it drops off majorly after 4k, and is one of the lowest in the 5k+ range. What are better players doing against this hero to counterplay him? | ||
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Archeon
3265 Posts
2. Your ult allows you sometimes to take an extra wave by using it proactively when you splitpush. But in general imo it's a tool to retreat from a bad position like after a t3 push or a taken rosh. 3. I'm not in 5k+ but the normal way to deal with heroes like UL is to ignore them. Don't invest a shitload of resources into ganking or taking down a sponge in the middle of the fight, kill targets that are squishy, deal damage or scale well. Also people get better at force-staffing UL out to counter his ultimate at higher MMR. | ||
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
Hood first is almost always the way to go for this reason. Greaves or other auras after. He wins lanes hard in the right draft. If he doesn’t win the lane outright, then you’ll probably lose the game. | ||
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Sixe
China5 Posts
Shaman does so much damage even your passive won't save you at L1/L2 from him and his carry. You can't really suppress Razor, Tiny, Jugg, or FV's LHs, which beats the whole point of the hero. Tinker has crazy range, pure damage, and can burst down the allies you are trying to save before your low levels in ulti can bring them home. You are relatively slow and immobile. In Chinese, we'd say you are a fat ass, and SF can easily land 3 razes for punishing damage on you or euls ulti | ||
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