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I feel like the best way to outlane underlord is a Venge/Drow lane. Use Wave of Terror to get rid of his high base armor, and you can shred through him. Venge and Drow aura "counter" Atrophy Aura's debuff.
I haven't tried this combo yet, but seems good in theory.
What does work well however is Dazzle (I have done this).
Underlord can't deal with being slowed, so poison touch really interferes with his lane dominance. Obviously because he is a melee hero Shadow Wave can dissuade him from going for last hits. He cannot deal with shallow grave, its pretty easy to get it as Underlord as almost no burst, most his damage is dealt over time.
But most importantly Weave, he has high base armor, and weave really beats that. Typically i'm seeing Underlords going Vanguard/Hood (granted he is building tanky), which means they are relying on their high base armor, and he will just melt to any carry with atleast 1 item.
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he has moderate mana issues early on so i imagine like with darkseer you can diffuse him early on (as offlane) and keep him from levels which makes his only farming tool (firestorm) pretty unreliable since he will not be getting the helpful stacks of atrophy either.
i've done this zoning on underlord as support and i haven't checked the replays. almost certainly he went to jungle with firestorm level 1 and suffered a bit.
he has a rather good level 1, comparable to BM, but not as good as ogre. literally, you could just drag the creepwave out using aggro tricks and he can't rely on that for XP as your support zones.
OFC, he could just bring a lot of regen to lane with shield, but this can still be stuffed by two supports, making the recovery longer in the jungle.
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I'm a big fan of the stout, tons of pots, get boots and soul ring build. Maxed out firestorm let's you farm very quickly provided you have the mana.
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On August 25 2016 22:40 Rodrak wrote:
I feel like the best way to outlane underlord is a Venge/Drow lane. Use Wave of Terror to get rid of his high base armor, and you can shred through him. Venge and Drow aura "counter" Atrophy Aura's debuff.
I haven't tried this combo yet, but seems good in theory.
What does work well however is Dazzle (I have done this).
Underlord can't deal with being slowed, so poison touch really interferes with his lane dominance. Obviously because he is a melee hero Shadow Wave can dissuade him from going for last hits. He cannot deal with shallow grave, its pretty easy to get it as Underlord as almost no burst, most his damage is dealt over time.
But most importantly Weave, he has high base armor, and weave really beats that. Typically i'm seeing Underlords going Vanguard/Hood (granted he is building tanky), which means they are relying on their high base armor, and he will just melt to any carry with atleast 1 item.
u forgot one important thing
atrophy aura doesn't work on magic damage so you just pick magic damage and LOL you won the lane GEGE
pick skywrath and any carry u want and u won the lane I'm SURE
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Wouldn't any ranged support with good dmg auto attacks zone him out if he is solo? WD, Dazzle, Bane, Lion etc should all burn through his regen and force him out. If he goes hard on the support the carry needs to help out to put the fear into him and run him out of regen. Pretty much any solo off laner is possible to keep at level 1 with good lane control if they don't do good creep blocks or have special abilities like brood or Nature's Prophet.
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On August 26 2016 09:14 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2016 22:40 Rodrak wrote:
I feel like the best way to outlane underlord is a Venge/Drow lane. Use Wave of Terror to get rid of his high base armor, and you can shred through him. Venge and Drow aura "counter" Atrophy Aura's debuff.
I haven't tried this combo yet, but seems good in theory.
What does work well however is Dazzle (I have done this).
Underlord can't deal with being slowed, so poison touch really interferes with his lane dominance. Obviously because he is a melee hero Shadow Wave can dissuade him from going for last hits. He cannot deal with shallow grave, its pretty easy to get it as Underlord as almost no burst, most his damage is dealt over time.
But most importantly Weave, he has high base armor, and weave really beats that. Typically i'm seeing Underlords going Vanguard/Hood (granted he is building tanky), which means they are relying on their high base armor, and he will just melt to any carry with atleast 1 item.
u forgot one important thing atrophy aura doesn't work on magic damage so you just pick magic damage and LOL you won the lane GEGE pick skywrath and any carry u want and u won the lane I'm SURE
Well you can say that for literally any solo offlaner. SWM is still probably the strongest hero at zoning out ppl at lvl 1.
On August 26 2016 19:01 Yurie wrote:
Wouldn't any ranged support with good dmg auto attacks zone him out if he is solo? WD, Dazzle, Bane, Lion etc should all burn through his regen and force him out. If he goes hard on the support the carry needs to help out to put the fear into him and run him out of regen. Pretty much any solo off laner is possible to keep at level 1 with good lane control if they don't do good creep blocks or have special abilities like brood or Nature's Prophet.
It's pretty much like sb, if you don't have some long slows you and your carry won't put fear in him. The hero is insanely tanky at lvl 1.
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I don't think he's really that threatening in lane. Sure he can bully a melee 1v1 pretty hard, but so can a bunch of other heroes. Add a non-potato support and he's an annoyance at best, if a difficult one to zone completely.
Like he's fine, I think he's a pretty good offlaner, but he's not in the wtf how do i deal with this category.
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Recently played him in a pub match, all you gotta do is build tanky and secure kills with pit of malice; I love how simple this hero is, its a nice break from playing Morphling every match.
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On August 26 2016 19:25 Belisarius wrote:
I don't think he's really that threatening in lane. Sure he can bully a melee 1v1 pretty hard, but so can a bunch of other heroes. Add a non-potato support and he's an annoyance at best, if a difficult one to zone completely.
Like he's fine, I think he's a pretty good offlaner, but he's not in the wtf how do i deal with this category.
Agreed. He can also jungle really well at early levels while still holding his own tower. He's just really safe. I've been first picking him and there's not many cores or supports that make my lane impossible or fuck with my gameplan. He just doesn't make a ton of space.
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Played a game with my brother earlier and we did a Kotl+Underlord lane offlane. Their carry did not have a good time.
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dota 2 heroes and dota 1 heroes are balance
good
welcome in dota 2 azgalor
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On August 26 2016 22:59 Doraemon wrote:
pit is damn op
? A lot of people write it, I dont see a problem playing against Pit.
He is just casual 50% winrate and highmmr player actually dodge it.
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Just hope with his mass teleport ability, people don't play him to rat....
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Underlord doesn't seem too overpowered. I still see Pudge being picked more often than him now lol.
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Don't mind me, just being annoying as fawk in the Offlane -- totally skilled.
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On August 27 2016 21:12 Anamorph wrote:? A lot of people write it, I dont see a problem playing against Pit. He is just casual 50% winrate and highmmr player actually dodge it.
i didn't mean the hero, i meant the skill. going through bkb is massive
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The stun could probably be dialled back a bit, but the hero really isn't a problem in pub fights. At the end of the day he's a big bag of meat with an annoying aura and some CC.
The real thing to watch will be the 5man rat in organised games. There's an odds-on chance he'll end up like wisp or bat where the base premise of the ult is so broken that everything else needs to be nerfed to oblivion to compensate for it.
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On August 24 2016 14:13 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2016 13:43 the bear jew wrote:On August 24 2016 13:21 DucK- wrote:
Bring back expulsion and corpses :\ I dislike this aura It is good though. Feels boring.
Would you be satisfied if it was an Aghanim's upgrade?
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isn't this hero better in mid?
atrophy aura will win you lane easily
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