EPTThe Deathvally of MMR - Page 2
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Baggage
Hong Kong593 Posts
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
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Baggage
Hong Kong593 Posts
On August 18 2016 12:02 Birdie wrote: I would say that learning to farm properly is the first step to becoming a good dota player though, because dota is fundamentally about resource management and efficiency, and farming teaches you those things. Learn to farm first, learn to support later. I'm a far better support than most "main" supports that I know because I started as carry. Mechanics are needed only for the purpose of so they become so second nature to you that you can spend your time thinking about more important things like what you need to do to win the game or how to direct your team or how to provoke movement. I know somebody who is like 600 mmr lower than me who has prolly 5x my mechanical skill (and under equal lane conditions would prolly be 10-20 cs above me at 10mins) but he's stuck there cuz he thinks mechanics are the be all end all and he's ass at making decisions. When higher mmr players smurf and say farm your way out of the hole, its more to do with it being the easiest way to win is to have items and take over the game. You can push the limit because bad players are easy to predict and manipulate. When you arent fundamentally a better player (which most ppl arent), you wanna take babysteps mechanically, then learn to abuse points in time when you're relatively stronger from certain timings. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
On August 18 2016 12:32 Baggage wrote: Mechanics are needed only for the purpose of so they become so second nature to you that you can spend your time thinking about more important things like what you need to do to win the game or how to direct your team or how to provoke movement. I know somebody who is like 600 mmr lower than me who has prolly 5x my mechanical skill (and under equal lane conditions would prolly be 10-20 cs above me at 10mins) but he's stuck there cuz he thinks mechanics are the be all end all and he's ass at making decisions. When higher mmr players smurf and say farm your way out of the hole, its more to do with it being the easiest way to win is to have items and take over the game. You can push the limit because bad players are easy to predict and manipulate. When you arent fundamentally a better player (which most ppl arent), you wanna take babysteps mechanically, then learn to abuse points in time when you're relatively stronger from certain timings. Sure, but the guy is below 2k, so there's no way his mechanical ability to farm is anywhere near good enough for 3k. You can EASILY farm your way to 3k and I would highly recommend it. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
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Rodberd
Germany531 Posts
On August 18 2016 17:09 ahswtini wrote: i still dontknow why ppl think that they can win 3k bracket if they cant even leave 2k bracket you know instead of posting this kind of stuff, why not write sth helpful? or maybe just ignore this thread if you don agree or dont have sth helpful to say? noone forces you to read this one. and there is no elo-hell. its like a vehicle stuck in quick sand, some you can recover and some you should just leave and get a new one. since my decision to play supports limits my effect in the game to a certain direction i cant simply carry the game alone. imagine im a cm superfarmed etc pp, i wont be able to splitpush alone take towers and force the other team to deal with me. a sven jugg, whatever will be able to to this all alone while the other 4 can derp around. there might be some supports who can do sth like this (shaman comes to mind) but not all of them can. so there isnt much of a deal for me if my cores run around and get picked off time after time because they dont have vision in the area. like run into a dark jungle of the other team, hoping for some farm. | ||
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Baggage
Hong Kong593 Posts
Also saying you're limited as a player cuz you choose to play support is stupid cuz guess what support movement sets the pace of a game. You feel disenfranchised cuz u think your cores r retarded and whilst that's true you aren't much better (if positions were reversed). How many actual replays have u watched since making this thread? Did u see something new then come in here post and ask why xyz did this or that? I'm pretty sure it's a big old bagel, cuz it's easier to think a system has misjudged u rather than stick it out and work out your problems. Improving (at a fast pace) is fucking hard and you don't improve overnight, it's slow and gradual. So don't get hostile on the net just cuz ppl r laying in some hard truths. Edit: if anybody can correct me was it June or July who played in ig 1-2 years back getting to 7.5k solo on support while letting his 4k teammates play core against are 5-6k stacks Nvm it wasn't support but he was more of an ingame leader/captain. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
are u even confident that ur support abilities are good enough for 3k? where the typical support contribution is sitting behind their safelaner helping them to deny why not just buy an account | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
My advice would be to try to just be conscious of what you are doing. Always try to be playing with some purpose instead of walking around aimlessly. For example, as a support ask yourself which of the enemy heroes can you kill, with who and how? Am I being beneficial on this lane or should I try to kill elsewhere or stack some camps? Is there some farm somewhere that noone is taking? Am I ready to respond if something happens? Is it time to check the rune? What should I try to do in this skirmish that I see coming up? Can I see people on the minimap, and what does that mean? A lot of the understanding comes through experience, but imo a lot of players aren't even really thinking as the game is happening but they are somehow autopiloting their way repeating the same old errors. The first step is to be aware of what you are doing and thinking "huh, maybe I should have done this or that differently, I'll try that next time". For example I think a common situation is that people either have a worse lane or they somehow screw up and die, and then they proceed to just go back into that lane and proceed to feed more because they are really far behind and can't do anything anymore. You could just leave the lane and farm jungle, you can try to kill a hero on some other lane, you can play more defensively, whatever. You will surely get games that are lost because your teammates played really bad, you will also get games where you screwed up really bad. Just concentrate on some things you could have done differently in some stage of the game, and try to improve your own performance. If you improve as a player, you will start rising in mmr. Though it's a bit unrealistic to expect a really fast rise unless you are significantly better than your current ranking. A big part of both getting better and getting your mmr higher is just grinding games. P.S. Don't be afraid to buy smokes. From my experience lower tier players are terrible at buying them and the smokes sit in base for no purpose. Dota is a snowbally game, don't be afraid to buy one and use it to make sure one of your own ganks succeed. It doesn't have to be some fancy team move. | ||
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
Find heroes you have a bigger impact with. | ||
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phantomlancer23
733 Posts
On August 18 2016 03:02 Rodberd wrote: we played some games together. i do some stuff well, and i got some things to fix. but his suggestion would be a new acc to get rid of the 2k mmr bracket. since i seem not to belong there. i should be able to win the "placement-games" and end up somewhere around the 3-3,5k mark. leaving one acc for the fun stuff and one for mmr-grinding if needed. shoudl i want to keep that acc i should spam mid heros to speed up the process of increasing the mmr. This is the best idea make a new account, mmr is rigged go see the liquid blogs how many players even 5k are tortured in low mmr for months even years, dont waste your time just make some smurfs until you get 3k, you ll make it i m sure my friend made it from 3k to 4,5k (he has like not even 20games as mid and he never watches progaming) just plays junglers afk pve. The game is broken everybody smurfs because this works,i personally made it to 4k with smurf and i cant even win in 2k mmr games even as mid!!!Its crazy how much rigged this game is. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On August 18 2016 21:50 phantomlancer23 wrote: This is the best idea make a new account, mmr is rigged go see the liquid blogs how many players even 5k are tortured in low mmr for months even years, dont waste your time just make some smurfs until you get 3k, you ll make it i m sure my friend made it from 3k to 4,5k (he has like not even 20games as mid and he never watches progaming) just plays junglers afk pve. The game is broken everybody smurfs because this works,i personally made it to 4k with smurf and i cant even win in 2k mmr games even as mid!!!Its crazy how much rigged this game is. i wish u were just trolling with ur bullshit tinfoil hat rigged game conspiracy http://www.dotabuff.com/players/64698481/matches?date=all&lobby_type=ranked_matchmaking&page=2&timezone=Europe/London i played 25 ranked games on this account from the 9th march to 1st april 2015. went from 2k to 2.5k, going 23-2. so if u cant win 2k mmr games as mid, it's not because the game is rigged | ||
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phantomlancer23
733 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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iaretehnoob
Sweden741 Posts
Lots of content in the 2k-3k mmr range, most videos are for playing carry, but there's support stuff too. Very detailed on laning and early game in general, think it could help you a lot. | ||
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Jaeger
United States1150 Posts
And then I stopped so I have no idea what happened after that point. http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2575284400 The most glaring thing is last hitting. You have essentially a free farm offlane. By my count there were 36 creeps that died where you could easily get the last hit on. But at 5 minutes you have only 8 cs. That leaves you at roughly 1100 networth less than you should have. Put another way that is enough to take you from 7th place in networth to 1st place at that time. Yet another way that's enough to give you phase boots at which point you could have solo killed anyone except morphling. Early game deficiencies are the most insidious because they compound over the whole game. They make you have less items so you farm less efficiently, die more often, and get less kills. Luckily early game problems are also the easiest to work on. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
It goes for supports as well as carries. As a support pulling can be nice to get the wave back and deny experience but it is even nicer if you remember to last hit the creeps to get gold for yourself. Similarly if you ever push a wave out try to last hit everything and not just autoattack it carelessly. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
60-80 by 10 minutes if it's a free-lane. go into a bot game, or a single-player custom and start practicing until you hit that quota. | ||
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