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On October 21 2015 01:20 ChunderBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 01:14 RuiBarbO wrote:
I've tried to play some games as this guy recently and it just seems like he's terrible. I need a decent amount of gold to get kills reliably, but I have this fear that if I spend too much time farming I'll fall behind the inevitable PA/hard carry who's probably slaughtering my team's offlaner while I'm whacking lane creeps. Abusing the infest ancient thing also doesn't seem that good, I mean they're super tanky but their damage is uninspiring and they're not particularly fast. What am I missing? he was top pick between ti2-ti3 then he got nerfed too much ure not missing much
The hardest nerf was Open Wounds range decrease. Naix always had problems against kiting but range nerf on OW ruined his laning phase. (Actually not only laning phase. He have to get so close his enemies till level 9)
I think he is in a rought spot to be properly balanced. He has a god damn free bkb! (On 10 second cooldown!) If Frog somewhat buffes his early game he will snowball like mad. If Frog buffes his late game he may turn to a beast.
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I'm trying to play a better carry Lifestealer. But I can't seem to understand how some pro players reach Armlet in about 10 minutes consistently
I feel without Armlet reaching at (approx. 10 minutes), everything else is severely delayed and I miss my timing.
Right now, my farming method is nothing unusual; last-hit in lane, when it is pushed -> go farm the jungle camps nearby, then come back.
But I still am exceedingly slow for some reason.
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what are you building before armlet? phase qb armlet timing is more or less around 9-10 mins given complete free farm.
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On May 18 2016 17:41 Kaj wrote:
what are you building before armlet? phase qb armlet timing is more or less around 9-10 mins given complete free farm.
I open Boots, Faerie Fire, two branches (maybe) and maybe tango if I knew the lane will be trouble.
Then I go Boots -> QB -> Phase
and then maybe blightstone.
I just played a game where I got Armlet, but I had to get two kills (and die once) to get it. That's not always achievable for me.
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On May 18 2016 18:40 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2016 17:41 Kaj wrote:
what are you building before armlet? phase qb armlet timing is more or less around 9-10 mins given complete free farm. I open Boots, Faerie Fire, two branches (maybe) and maybe tango if I knew the lane will be trouble. Then I go Boots -> QB -> Phase and then maybe blightstone. I just played a game where I got Armlet, but I had to get two kills (and die once) to get it. That's not always achievable for me.
I don't think opening boots is correct every game. You have no kill potential until level 2 (usually), so I prefer stout qb tangos and not missing a lh at all so you can buy a fast boots at the sideshop. Skip stout for orb of venom if the offlane is like a BB or NP or some shit. But if you go boots first and miss lh/not kill the offlane in the first two minutes, you spent 400 gold on nothing.
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Sorry.
I don't go with Boots first, I get that after, I mistyped.
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If you don't miss CS you should be getting it at 8-9 mins no problem even without kills
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On May 19 2016 01:58 Skank wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2016 18:40 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 18 2016 17:41 Kaj wrote:
what are you building before armlet? phase qb armlet timing is more or less around 9-10 mins given complete free farm. I open Boots, Faerie Fire, two branches (maybe) and maybe tango if I knew the lane will be trouble. Then I go Boots -> QB -> Phase and then maybe blightstone. I just played a game where I got Armlet, but I had to get two kills (and die once) to get it. That's not always achievable for me. I don't think opening boots is correct every game. You have no kill potential until level 2 (usually), so I prefer stout qb tangos and not missing a lh at all so you can buy a fast boots at the sideshop. Skip stout for orb of venom if the offlane is like a BB or NP or some shit. But if you go boots first and miss lh/not kill the offlane in the first two minutes, you spent 400 gold on nothing.
Wait isn't stout really good vs BB / NP?
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On May 23 2016 04:18 clickrush wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2016 01:58 Skank wrote:On May 18 2016 18:40 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 18 2016 17:41 Kaj wrote:
what are you building before armlet? phase qb armlet timing is more or less around 9-10 mins given complete free farm. I open Boots, Faerie Fire, two branches (maybe) and maybe tango if I knew the lane will be trouble. Then I go Boots -> QB -> Phase and then maybe blightstone. I just played a game where I got Armlet, but I had to get two kills (and die once) to get it. That's not always achievable for me. I don't think opening boots is correct every game. You have no kill potential until level 2 (usually), so I prefer stout qb tangos and not missing a lh at all so you can buy a fast boots at the sideshop. Skip stout for orb of venom if the offlane is like a BB or NP or some shit. But if you go boots first and miss lh/not kill the offlane in the first two minutes, you spent 400 gold on nothing. Wait isn't stout really good vs BB / NP?
Id only skip stout if the lane is going to be complete free farm, there's high kill potential, or i'm laning against someone who'd trade last hits passively.
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On May 23 2016 04:18 clickrush wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2016 01:58 Skank wrote:On May 18 2016 18:40 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 18 2016 17:41 Kaj wrote:
what are you building before armlet? phase qb armlet timing is more or less around 9-10 mins given complete free farm. I open Boots, Faerie Fire, two branches (maybe) and maybe tango if I knew the lane will be trouble. Then I go Boots -> QB -> Phase and then maybe blightstone. I just played a game where I got Armlet, but I had to get two kills (and die once) to get it. That's not always achievable for me. I don't think opening boots is correct every game. You have no kill potential until level 2 (usually), so I prefer stout qb tangos and not missing a lh at all so you can buy a fast boots at the sideshop. Skip stout for orb of venom if the offlane is like a BB or NP or some shit. But if you go boots first and miss lh/not kill the offlane in the first two minutes, you spent 400 gold on nothing. Wait isn't stout really good vs BB / NP?
Yea skipping stout is a really bad idea vs NP. You'll just eat harass left and right between autos and treant right clicks if you get near the creeps, especially if your support is bad and doesn't know how to zone properly.
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On May 25 2016 12:52 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2016 04:18 clickrush wrote:On May 19 2016 01:58 Skank wrote:On May 18 2016 18:40 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 18 2016 17:41 Kaj wrote:
what are you building before armlet? phase qb armlet timing is more or less around 9-10 mins given complete free farm. I open Boots, Faerie Fire, two branches (maybe) and maybe tango if I knew the lane will be trouble. Then I go Boots -> QB -> Phase and then maybe blightstone. I just played a game where I got Armlet, but I had to get two kills (and die once) to get it. That's not always achievable for me. I don't think opening boots is correct every game. You have no kill potential until level 2 (usually), so I prefer stout qb tangos and not missing a lh at all so you can buy a fast boots at the sideshop. Skip stout for orb of venom if the offlane is like a BB or NP or some shit. But if you go boots first and miss lh/not kill the offlane in the first two minutes, you spent 400 gold on nothing. Wait isn't stout really good vs BB / NP? Yea skipping stout is a really bad idea vs NP. You'll just eat harass left and right between autos and treant right clicks if you get near the creeps, especially if your support is bad and doesn't know how to zone properly.
It's potentially good vs BB though since it does nothing vs Quill Spray. I have no idea why the two heroes were grouped together.
I don't know why vs BB you'd opt for Orb of Venom though. Seems like you'd just get a stick.
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you don't want the bristleback in lane at all because otherwise you're just gonna be eating quill sprays to the point where your stick isn't going to save you. instead of eating quill sprays, chase him out of lane. he cant man up to you, so if you go in early enough, you can get a kill and scare him off of the creep wave
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On May 26 2016 02:49 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 12:52 superstartran wrote:On May 23 2016 04:18 clickrush wrote:On May 19 2016 01:58 Skank wrote:On May 18 2016 18:40 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 18 2016 17:41 Kaj wrote:
what are you building before armlet? phase qb armlet timing is more or less around 9-10 mins given complete free farm. I open Boots, Faerie Fire, two branches (maybe) and maybe tango if I knew the lane will be trouble. Then I go Boots -> QB -> Phase and then maybe blightstone. I just played a game where I got Armlet, but I had to get two kills (and die once) to get it. That's not always achievable for me. I don't think opening boots is correct every game. You have no kill potential until level 2 (usually), so I prefer stout qb tangos and not missing a lh at all so you can buy a fast boots at the sideshop. Skip stout for orb of venom if the offlane is like a BB or NP or some shit. But if you go boots first and miss lh/not kill the offlane in the first two minutes, you spent 400 gold on nothing. Wait isn't stout really good vs BB / NP? Yea skipping stout is a really bad idea vs NP. You'll just eat harass left and right between autos and treant right clicks if you get near the creeps, especially if your support is bad and doesn't know how to zone properly. It's potentially good vs BB though since it does nothing vs Quill Spray. I have no idea why the two heroes were grouped together. I don't know why vs BB you'd opt for Orb of Venom though. Seems like you'd just get a stick.
Wait a minute I was pretty sure quill spray gets blocked by stout shield. Did they change that?
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On May 27 2016 14:23 clickrush wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 02:49 Logo wrote:On May 25 2016 12:52 superstartran wrote:On May 23 2016 04:18 clickrush wrote:On May 19 2016 01:58 Skank wrote:On May 18 2016 18:40 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 18 2016 17:41 Kaj wrote:
what are you building before armlet? phase qb armlet timing is more or less around 9-10 mins given complete free farm. I open Boots, Faerie Fire, two branches (maybe) and maybe tango if I knew the lane will be trouble. Then I go Boots -> QB -> Phase and then maybe blightstone. I just played a game where I got Armlet, but I had to get two kills (and die once) to get it. That's not always achievable for me. I don't think opening boots is correct every game. You have no kill potential until level 2 (usually), so I prefer stout qb tangos and not missing a lh at all so you can buy a fast boots at the sideshop. Skip stout for orb of venom if the offlane is like a BB or NP or some shit. But if you go boots first and miss lh/not kill the offlane in the first two minutes, you spent 400 gold on nothing. Wait isn't stout really good vs BB / NP? Yea skipping stout is a really bad idea vs NP. You'll just eat harass left and right between autos and treant right clicks if you get near the creeps, especially if your support is bad and doesn't know how to zone properly. It's potentially good vs BB though since it does nothing vs Quill Spray. I have no idea why the two heroes were grouped together. I don't know why vs BB you'd opt for Orb of Venom though. Seems like you'd just get a stick. Wait a minute I was pretty sure quill spray gets blocked by stout shield. Did they change that?
ya they changed damage block to not work with spells that do physical dmg
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This hero is balanced im sure, at this rate 7k should be no problem
Phase armlet echo deso daedalus for free mmr
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Why do people get echo on this hero
honestly it makes no sense to me
someone explain the logic.
str and damage, ya ok great but you get that in a sange. Int and mana regen? okay...but its a $2650 item. .6 second slow...when you have open wounds and its a .6 second slow. attack speed...when you have rage and no major procs you need to desire.
Like...i'd just rather have 60% of a S&Y. Doesn't seem worth a 2650 gold item
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Well Echo Sabre does solve any mana issues the hero might have while providing more damage, attack speed and burst dmg then a Sange. I think that last part is pretty important, helps you kill supports during Rage. It's 600 more expensive of course, but unless your going for a full S&Y I don't really see the point of getting a Sange.
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On June 02 2016 22:58 Comeh wrote:
Why do people get echo on this hero
honestly it makes no sense to me
someone explain the logic.
str and damage, ya ok great but you get that in a sange. Int and mana regen? okay...but its a $2650 item. .6 second slow...when you have open wounds and its a .6 second slow. attack speed...when you have rage and no major procs you need to desire.
Like...i'd just rather have 60% of a S&Y. Doesn't seem worth a 2650 gold item
While it is true that you have an attack speed steroid, you also have a damage one (feast) and if you build into desolator you have another damage source. Ah and you also have phase. So yeah the damage that item gives is insane and also works very well with daedalus to 2 shot people.
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
im with comeh here, sabre is a waste of gold and a slot
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On June 02 2016 23:53 Gotuso wrote:
Well Echo Sabre does solve any mana issues the hero might have while providing more damage, attack speed and burst dmg then a Sange. I think that last part is pretty important, helps you kill supports during Rage. It's 600 more expensive of course, but unless your going for a full S&Y I don't really see the point of getting a Sange.
It gives one hit every 5 seconds, which equates to like 20 AS, and LS already has a lot of AS from rage and armlet, but the whole implication is that of course you'll be going S&Y. Movement speed is the most valuable statistic on this hero, especially considering how kiteable he is. My argument is i'd rather have a S&Y 3 mins later than an echo saber right now...
maybe its a timing thing. That's the only argument i've found persuasive is that the timing of an echo saber + phase + armlet is more valuable than phase + armlet + S&Y 2-3 mins later, even though the latter will be more valuable throughout the game. The impact if having that earlier item will make the game more winnable then having a more superior build. Hard to say, i'd have to play with it, but my gut says its bullshit.
beesa convince me otherwise please.
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