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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-31 21:53:30
December 31 2014 21:52 GMT
#201
Troll has seen a pretty massive increase in pick rate at my MMR at least. And unlike some other fotm-picks this one seems to do really well. His ulti is actually so good. Pushing, teamfighting, roshing, ganking, you name it. Amazing utility. And a troll team with 2-3 rightclicker will just deal stupid amounts of damage during those secs. Seeing an axe die in ~2sec during +40 armor call was pretty funny.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
December 31 2014 22:03 GMT
#202
anyone ever found a nice bashdraft with troll, slardar and spirit breaker?
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Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
January 01 2015 00:49 GMT
#203
I think I have found two bugs while playing troll.

1 - Troll can miss uphill in melee form;

2 - Using phase and then changing stance from melee to ranged or vice versa cancels the phase effect prematurely.

Anyone know how to search if these are already known bugs or something?
Churrass
Profile Joined October 2013
573 Posts
January 01 2015 01:08 GMT
#204
On January 01 2015 09:49 Jotoco wrote:
I think I have found two bugs while playing troll.

1 - Troll can miss uphill in melee form;

2 - Using phase and then changing stance from melee to ranged or vice versa cancels the phase effect prematurely.

Anyone know how to search if these are already known bugs or something?


any action cancel phase, its not a bug
Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
January 01 2015 04:00 GMT
#205
On January 01 2015 10:08 Churrass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 09:49 Jotoco wrote:
I think I have found two bugs while playing troll.

1 - Troll can miss uphill in melee form;

2 - Using phase and then changing stance from melee to ranged or vice versa cancels the phase effect prematurely.

Anyone know how to search if these are already known bugs or something?


any action cancel phase, its not a bug


I though this was a "non-action"... And what about the uphill miss chance while melee?
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
January 01 2015 04:35 GMT
#206
You probably were in the midst of switching because you can't miss uphill while in melee form--just tested it.
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paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-02 20:02:14
January 02 2015 07:48 GMT
#207
Was glancing through the troll dotabuff ranking page and discovered I made top 100! How exciting for being an average player :3

but lost it soon after hehe
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goldspoon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada112 Posts
January 13 2015 10:36 GMT
#208
I started experimenting diffusal blade on troll and its incredible. You probably wanna get this after bkb and helm of dom which isnt very hard, it is a significant dps increase on him at all stage during the game especially with the increase cap on IAS.

For securing up time on my target, I have always hated items such as S&Y on Troll as although it is quite a decent mid game timing item, it quickly fall off and become both slot and cost inefficient very fast, Troll scale too well with item to waste a slot on something that provide mediocre utility, mediocre damage and mediocre tanking. I used to get skadi for reliable slow but it just provide too little damage to be worth a slot, and now with Diffusal blade you will get decently reliable slow (has a greater cast range than your attack range, but can be dispelled/does not affect magic immune target), with a much safer and useful build up.

Plus nowadays the Dispell aspect of purge has become close to mandatory now, the manaburn scale disgustingly well, in late game you will notice your opponent losing his manapool during a bash faster than vs a PL.

I really think diffusal should be acquired prior to satanic/mkb and quite frankly straight up replace S&Y as your first big item.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
January 13 2015 10:39 GMT
#209
Yeah diffusal definitely viable with how its no longer an orb
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 13 2015 10:40 GMT
#210
DDDDD:< I knew diffusal was good on troll!

Though I'm hoping to see it more in practice before trying it out myself~
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Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
January 13 2015 16:50 GMT
#211
Whenever i play troll I always feel weak. i always ran out of manaa.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
January 13 2015 17:28 GMT
#212
Take papers build.
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paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 09:20:18
January 19 2015 09:19 GMT
#213
My problem with diffusal is that I'd rather be working toward something bigger by the time I'd be building it, which is after blink dagger and SNY.

I see it as an alternate build if the situation calls for it, but generally seen as inferior given its cost, limited charges, and lack of +HP.
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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
January 19 2015 09:39 GMT
#214
diffusal's sub par dps (unless you have manta!), but so is sny.
Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
January 19 2015 13:26 GMT
#215
Against mana intensive opponents it might be useful. Specially with a good initiator on your side.

Troll can burn through a LOT of mana in a short time spam.

Against Medusa it is a given. But even against a tide, for example, who is nearing a refresher it should be good if you don't have anyone else to build it.

And early on it can give a lot of killing power, level 6 (and onwards) troll can burn mana so quick one might not even be able to TP after the first second or two.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
January 19 2015 13:43 GMT
#216
I think against tide diffusal doesnt matter, as the biggest factor will be if tide can initiate on you. if he gets a good first ravage, 2nd one will follow, unstoppable with diffusal imo..
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ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
January 19 2015 19:59 GMT
#217
manta/diffusal might work pretty well. I have a hard time not building yolo racecar 15min stomp troll though. he's so good around that time near max move speed. phase drum sny mlg420


diffusal is good just because ghost scepter shuts down troll pretty hard
ZieInverse
Profile Joined December 2014
18 Posts
January 20 2015 00:27 GMT
#218
Diffusal is situational.

Troll is a great diffusal hero, but he wants other things 90% of the time. Only get diffusal against certain things. VS omniknight it's great 3/4th item, same goes vs ghost scepters.
goldspoon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada112 Posts
January 20 2015 05:30 GMT
#219
So...is legion commander a good teammate with troll? as soon as he grab blink and use it for 1st time you start to complement him throughout the rest of the game (both duel and battle trance have relatively short CD).
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
January 20 2015 08:36 GMT
#220
Vlads or Helm on Troll? I'm curious if anyone else has thoughts about this because I've tried it both ways and I'm not sure. I don't find myself dominating creeps with the helm all that often (and I feel I should) and vlads scales better into lategame, leaves the attack modifier open and builds off Ring of basilius which I like to have early. But I find that helm's 20 damage is very useful to have in the early game compared to Vlad's ~10, plus helm of iron will is good if having trouble in lane.
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