|
SoCal8933 Posts
On October 09 2014 04:22 Ufnal wrote:
Isn't Jakiro's Macropyre super underpowered? Every time I use it or see it used it doesn't seem to do much. Is it because damage over time is less visible, or is it really quite a weak ulti?
its probably because you are not using it on a hero that is locked down solid. the ulti combos really well with heavy disable, so try to drop it on a target who has already been disabled by another hero, then casting ice path to lock him down on top of it.
|
On October 09 2014 03:45 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 03:16 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote:
Can you explain your reasoning behind that buckler a bit more? I don't particularly see the cost-effective value of a 800g item that gives +2 armor as an active. The 5 armor for yourself is nice sure, but I'm not exactly jumping at the idea of buying a buckler just for a bit of armor. compare it to basi, its really efficient
Yeah I am haha, and I can't find any reason why I would want buckler over a basi, or even want to spend 800g on a casual buckler.
|
On October 09 2014 04:22 Ufnal wrote:
Isn't Jakiro's Macropyre super underpowered? Every time I use it or see it used it doesn't seem to do much. Is it because damage over time is less visible, or is it really quite a weak ulti?
Macropyre is an excellent splitpushing tool--it even damages siege creeps! Instantly destroys creepwaves to let your creeps and liquid fire melt the tower.
Honestly, it's very very hard to hit a good macropyre in a teamfight unless you have a magnus/enigma/dark seer on your team. You can however euls -> macropyre -> icepath for a few seconds of guaranteed burn.
On October 09 2014 07:36 totalpigeon wrote:
Macropyre is balanced around its low cooldown, hence why it feels somewhat weak compared to many other ultimates (it is). But you get to use it more often as a result so you can use it to farm, gank, stop a push, and more often than not it should still be up for every teamfight. How effective it will be in teamfights depends a lot on the lineups in play. Without a good setup, it simply isn't going to do a huge amount of damage. In that case you ideally want to use it in early fights to make the enemy spread out, cut off retreat for some and zone the rest out of the action.
If you have setup or once you get Euls, a disable - macropyre - ice path - dual breath combo does a huge amount of damage and can easily kill / cripple squishier heroes.
edit: this is a better explanation than mine
|
On October 09 2014 06:09 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 03:45 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 09 2014 03:16 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote:
Can you explain your reasoning behind that buckler a bit more? I don't particularly see the cost-effective value of a 800g item that gives +2 armor as an active. The 5 armor for yourself is nice sure, but I'm not exactly jumping at the idea of buying a buckler just for a bit of armor. compare it to basi, its really efficient Yeah I am haha, and I can't find any reason why I would want buckler over a basi, or even want to spend 800g on a casual buckler.
If you're buying it for armor, let's compare it.
Basi: 500 gold for 3 armor
Buckler: 800 gold for 7 armor
You really don't see why paying 300 gold for 4 extra armor might be good value?
And in this case we're talking about wanting to build a buckler but not having anything to properly build it into, now a lot of heroes have the option of building it into a crimson guard. We're not talking about a casual buckler but the fact that buckler now can be bought without intending to make a mek for certain heroes who can utilize the armor very well.
|
Macropyre is balanced around its low cooldown, hence why it feels somewhat weak compared to many other ultimates (it is). But you get to use it more often as a result so you can use it to farm, gank, stop a push, and more often than not it should still be up for every teamfight. How effective it will be in teamfights depends a lot on the lineups in play. Without a good setup, it simply isn't going to do a huge amount of damage. In that case you ideally want to use it in early fights to make the enemy spread out, cut off retreat for some and zone the rest out of the action.
If you have setup or once you get Euls, a disable - macropyre - ice path - dual breath combo does a huge amount of damage and can easily kill / cripple squishier heroes.
|
I find macropyre to be the most powerful right after the laning phase ends where people move around a lot more. The liquid fire and macropyre build to be extremely effective at killing tier one towers. Jakiro is also a pretty strong tank as he normally has around 800-900 hp around this time with a decent amount of armor so he can do this relatively safely alone.
|
On October 09 2014 06:16 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 06:09 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote:On October 09 2014 03:45 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 09 2014 03:16 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote:
Can you explain your reasoning behind that buckler a bit more? I don't particularly see the cost-effective value of a 800g item that gives +2 armor as an active. The 5 armor for yourself is nice sure, but I'm not exactly jumping at the idea of buying a buckler just for a bit of armor. compare it to basi, its really efficient Yeah I am haha, and I can't find any reason why I would want buckler over a basi, or even want to spend 800g on a casual buckler. If you're buying it for armor, let's compare it. Basi: 500 gold for 3 armor Buckler: 800 gold for 7 armor You really don't see why paying 300 gold for 4 extra armor might be good value? And in this case we're talking about wanting to build a buckler but not having anything to properly build it into, now a lot of heroes have the option of building it into a crimson guard. We're not talking about a casual buckler but the fact that buckler now can be bought without intending to make a mek for certain heroes who can utilize the armor very well.
Hm. I think I'm more thinking this way:
Basi: 500g for 3 armor (always active)
Chainmail: 550g for 5 armor
Buckler: 800g for 5 armor (+2, can be kept up constantly for you, but 25s cd)
Medallion: 1075g for 6 armor (-6)
Blademail: 2200g for 6 armor + active
I just don't know of any hero that I would want a buckler on if it weren't a part of mek or CG. I just wouldn't say the item itself is all that cost effective. The chainmail itself can be built into so many other things that I don't really see the argument of buckler being such a cost effective slot.
|
United States47024 Posts
Well there's also the overall effectiveness of +all stats early game. For early fighting stats, +all stats tends to be efficient because while in the medium-term your stat needs tend to skew one way or another, in early game fights you sort of need everything because your base stats arent that high yet, so +all stats are the most efficient way to get combat stats.
Bracer/Null/Wand are already spoken for, and for personal stats are more effective than Buckler for obvious reasons--but give no team benefit and don't build into an item as well-rounded as CG. Aquila obviously gives the best of both worlds but isn't all that good for non-Agi heroes (and for the most part Agi heroes aren't the ones considering CG anyway).
|
On October 09 2014 06:13 xxpack09 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 04:22 Ufnal wrote:
Isn't Jakiro's Macropyre super underpowered? Every time I use it or see it used it doesn't seem to do much. Is it because damage over time is less visible, or is it really quite a weak ulti? Macropyre is an excellent splitpushing tool--it even damages siege creeps! Instantly destroys creepwaves to let your creeps and liquid fire melt the tower. Honestly, it's very very hard to hit a good macropyre in a teamfight unless you have a magnus/enigma/dark seer on your team. You can however euls -> macropyre -> icepath for a few seconds of guaranteed burn. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 07:36 totalpigeon wrote:
Macropyre is balanced around its low cooldown, hence why it feels somewhat weak compared to many other ultimates (it is). But you get to use it more often as a result so you can use it to farm, gank, stop a push, and more often than not it should still be up for every teamfight. How effective it will be in teamfights depends a lot on the lineups in play. Without a good setup, it simply isn't going to do a huge amount of damage. In that case you ideally want to use it in early fights to make the enemy spread out, cut off retreat for some and zone the rest out of the action.
If you have setup or once you get Euls, a disable - macropyre - ice path - dual breath combo does a huge amount of damage and can easily kill / cripple squishier heroes. edit: this is a better explanation than mine
It actually works great in combo with voids chono
|
hey so i'f i'm watching (spectating) a game and one of my friends see's this and does the same, is there any way for me to tell which friend is spectating the same game as me? (assume i check my f-list and 5x friends are watching games, and in the game im watching there are 2 people, me + one of my friends)
edit: plz dont say "ask ur friends" .. i honestly dont know if there is a way to see who's watching the game ur watching
|
On October 09 2014 16:40 ReligionLOL wrote:
hey so i'f i'm watching (spectating) a game and one of my friends see's this and does the same, is there any way for me to tell which friend is spectating the same game as me? (assume i check my f-list and 5x friends are watching games, and in the game im watching there are 2 people, me + one of my friends)
edit: plz dont say "ask ur friends" .. i honestly dont know if there is a way to see who's watching the game ur watching
if you go to the steam overlay (it's set to shift+tab by default) you can see a list of friends who are on the same server as you.
It's a quick way to tell who's watching your game when you're playing or who's watching the same game as you are.
|
Buckler isn't amazingly cost effective as an item if you only consider what it does for your hero. However, if you are together as 5 with a full creep wave 10 minutes into the game the active that's a total of 20 extra armour across the push for 25 mana and 800g. Assuming heroes have on average about 700hp at 10min, it's roughly an extra 700hp of punishment in total that the group can take in physical damage. That's pretty good for 800g.
|
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On October 09 2014 16:44 rebdomine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 16:40 ReligionLOL wrote:
hey so i'f i'm watching (spectating) a game and one of my friends see's this and does the same, is there any way for me to tell which friend is spectating the same game as me? (assume i check my f-list and 5x friends are watching games, and in the game im watching there are 2 people, me + one of my friends)
edit: plz dont say "ask ur friends" .. i honestly dont know if there is a way to see who's watching the game ur watching if you go to the steam overlay (it's set to shift+tab by default) you can see a list of friends who are on the same server as you. It's a quick way to tell who's watching your game when you're playing or who's watching the same game as you are.
Does it work for when you're playing? Isn't the spectating server a different one to the game server?
|
where do you see this? i know how to use steam overlay but when i shift-tab i see nothing that can tell me the information you said it could. where do you go after you shift-tab?
|
On October 09 2014 19:11 ReligionLOL wrote:
where do you see this? i know how to use steam overlay but when i shift-tab i see nothing that can tell me the information you said it could. where do you go after you shift-tab?
in the left panel, i don't remember exactly but I think if there isn't anyone on the same server than you (playing with you, or watching your game, etc) it might appears all your friend list
|
On October 09 2014 19:45 pedrlz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 19:11 ReligionLOL wrote:
where do you see this? i know how to use steam overlay but when i shift-tab i see nothing that can tell me the information you said it could. where do you go after you shift-tab? in the left panel, i don't remember exactly but I think if there isn't anyone on the same server than you (playing with you, or watching your game, etc) it might appears all your friend list
Shift+Tab, Friends box (not the View Friends List), there's a button to View Players.
I assume that's what you're referring to.
|
is it intended that pls doppelganger gets rid of napalm stacks?
|
|
|
I have no idea how to lane against Clinkz. He just harasses me off the lane and I can't do shit to him because he has his speed + invis. Case in point, played as Jugg. PMS appearently doesn't do much, support can't zone him out because Clinkz just right clicks him to death before I can do anything. Bad matchup or is there something to do that I'm missing?
|
On October 09 2014 23:16 hooahah wrote:
I have no idea how to lane against Clinkz. He just harasses me off the lane and I can't do shit to him because he has his speed + invis. Case in point, played as Jugg. PMS appearently doesn't do much, support can't zone him out because Clinkz just right clicks him to death before I can do anything. Bad matchup or is there something to do that I'm missing?
hit him instead of focusing on cs in the first 1-3 levels until he runs out of regen. jug isnt that good but he can do well against clinkz. heroes like pa/am straight off win against him
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
