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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
March 30 2013 03:10 GMT
#7681
players of equal skill, puck > qop. ezpz.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-30 03:32:39
March 30 2013 03:30 GMT
#7682
On March 30 2013 12:10 aintz wrote:
players of equal skill, puck > qop. ezpz.

This was actually discussed in the commentary for G-League.

N3komata said that after a lot of deliberating and playing the matchup, the consensus among Chinese players is that at mid level, where both players make a lot of mistakes, Puck has the advantage. But at high level, if the number of mistakes are very few, QoP has the advantage.

On March 30 2013 12:02 igotmyown wrote:
Have trouble against sf as puck. Unless you do really well early, your defensive abilities don't help him eventually massing up souls, then you just lose.

What? No, that's wrong.

You have solo-killing and gank-assist ability against SF at all levels. Only if you get lax and let him get souls he shouldn't does he catch back up. Otherwise if you control the lane well and abuse your solo kill threat, you can crush SF out of the game.

SF just punishes you if you stop playing the lane extremely tight, but that's true of SF vs anyone.
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cool_slowbro
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden97 Posts
March 30 2013 04:21 GMT
#7683
On March 30 2013 08:39 InfectedGoat wrote:
Best mid counters to puck?


Dodge his orb harass.
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
March 30 2013 04:58 GMT
#7684
How's that different from bat vs sf (solo kill, gank assist potential)? Puck quasi-commits when he orbs.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-30 05:14:47
March 30 2013 05:13 GMT
#7685
On March 30 2013 13:58 igotmyown wrote:
How's that different from bat vs sf (solo kill, gank assist potential)? Puck quasi-commits when he orbs.

Because Bat doesn't have harass to trade with (abysmal autoattack range, no ranged damage skills unless you level Flamebreak super early), so unless Bat can go all-in and kill, he can't punish SF going for lasthits. Which means he can't actually go on SF for a kill unless SF overextends ridiculously or you get a rune because you can't harass down SF's HP easily. Puck's ranged harass ability far exceed's Bat's with Orb and a much longer autoattack range (Bat 375, SF 500, Puck 550) so he's much more capable of punishing attempts to lasthit early game.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
March 30 2013 05:50 GMT
#7686
I mean the classic counter to Puck mid is night stalker (Puck does not like those instant silences) but that's if we're talking about things besides the laning phase itself (Night stalker should pretty much never straight up beat puck middle). Blood Seeker is a decent counter in lane and onwards but then you're left with basically a melee creep who can cast silence as one of your heroes. Rubick has been used to decent effect as well (instant cast stuns/nukes bother Puck).

On QoP vs Puck I would really assume it comes down to ping and rune luck (though I think it is easier to gank QoP after level 2).
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
March 30 2013 10:40 GMT
#7687
On March 30 2013 11:49 aintz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 09:47 Numy wrote:
Don't really think that's the line of thinking you should be using. More what can you do to deal with a mid puck. Most puck matchups are skill based where either party can win. Stuff like last hitting better and not taking unnecessary harass is key. A common hero used against her is qop since she can roam and have ability to win lane based on players.


qop vs puck is not fair at all for the qop. how the fuck are you suppose to win if the puck isnt mentally retarded.


You have better attack animation and mobility. It's more about who makes the least mistakes than anything else.
Corr
Profile Joined January 2009
Denmark796 Posts
March 30 2013 10:42 GMT
#7688
PMS Bloodseeker > Puck hurr


TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 30 2013 10:58 GMT
#7689
Also, Clockwerk vs Puck and Windrunner vs. Puck have been cited as favorable matchups for Clockwerk and Windrunner before.
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BarneyNapalm
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark370 Posts
March 30 2013 12:03 GMT
#7690
So. A friend and I have run Tiny/Wisp combo quite regulary to great succes. But I got to think of something:
How do you guys feel about getting both tranquil and mana boots on wisp, so that he basicly is a walking fountian? manaboots on wisp are HUGE for tiny. instant full mana all the time, but the same could be said about tranquil. full hp basicly all the time.
Kazzoo
Profile Joined October 2010
France368 Posts
March 30 2013 12:30 GMT
#7691
Soulring is more than enough.
Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-30 13:19:56
March 30 2013 13:17 GMT
#7692
Or you could run manaboots and urn. Assuming the combo is working, you WILL get charges. Or just run a bottle. Or run manaboots on tiny. There's a lot of options other than dual-booting your wisp which is not only expensive but past a certain point becomes quite redundant.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
March 30 2013 13:33 GMT
#7693
I guess it could work if you keep RoR+RoP in inv and have arcane so you can disassemble arcane and pick up tranq etc. Then later convert to a vlad+arcane. Actually having 2 sets of boots though sounds silly
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
March 30 2013 14:10 GMT
#7694
Based on pure theorycraft, shouldn't nyx be able to well against puck? Get a pms and then nyx's skills should counter puck pretty hard, i.e you use carapace when he orbs you and manaburn him every now and then. Or does melee vs ranged and probably superior runecontrol by puck outweigh this? You can still choose to bottlecrow if necessary.
MSGHero
Profile Joined December 2012
United States147 Posts
March 30 2013 15:57 GMT
#7695
Versus puck, if you scare him into shifting prematurely, you can win pretty handily. The only problem is that the puck has to be good enough to be able to dodge skills normally. I find tinker vs puck to be extremely easy if I just cancel the animation of laser to force a shift, same with qop's q, nyx's and lion's stuns, etc
ChiknAdobo
Profile Joined November 2010
United States208 Posts
March 30 2013 20:35 GMT
#7696
What are some good sites or youtube channels to watch competitive Dota 2 casts?
ZERg
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
March 30 2013 20:39 GMT
#7697
On March 31 2013 05:35 ChiknAdobo wrote:
What are some good sites or youtube channels to watch competitive Dota 2 casts?

www.joindota.com
www.thepremierleague.eu

http://www.youtube.com/user/joinDOTA
http://www.youtube.com/user/beyondthesummittv
http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePremierrLeague
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ChiknAdobo
Profile Joined November 2010
United States208 Posts
March 30 2013 23:40 GMT
#7698
Thanks firebolt :D
ZERg
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
March 31 2013 09:59 GMT
#7699
Any tips for last hitting with weaver? He has the worst attack animation of the whole game, seriously, you have to right click when the creep is at half life to have a chance to get the last hit otherwise he's dead, the attack is wasted on a dead creep & good luck getting the next last hit. The heroe is really fun & brings a lot on the table with good farm or just levels but this attack animation, even zeus wd, cm or any heroe with crap animation are way better than weaver to last hit.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
March 31 2013 10:17 GMT
#7700
Just practice, no fancy tricks. To me he has a really good attack animation, not sure why you're having difficulty.
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